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I bet none of you saw this choice coming in February.  I know I didn't.  Do you (a) give your favorite councilwoman a chance to put up or shut up or (b) elect a 19-year-old college dropout who is incapable of discussing any issues and refuses to answer questions about his campaign financing?

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Now Now Glenn if I go back in the archives I do believe that I can find a post or two where you say Young Doug is not a bad choice ... and everyone here already gave valid reasons as to why we would not vote for him ... so what is the point of this thread! We have already said how we feel about young Doug Miller.

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I bet none of you saw this choice coming in February.  I know I didn't.  Do you (a) give your favorite councilwoman a chance to put up or shut up or (b) elect a 19-year-old college dropout who is incapable of discussing any issues and refuses to answer questions about his campaign financing?

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I believe that Mrs. Fanucci, with her referrals to "capital gains projects" and the "SPCA" for the parking authority, has lowered the bar sufficiently enough for one to at least consider Doug Miller's candidacy. His age and experience mean that he has to work even harder to prove himself.

If he has doesn't put forward a comprehensive platform with some progressive ideas, it's over. But I have to give him credit for putting a lot of chips on the table here.

He's getting $25 from me.

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1. I'm not too impressed with George W. Bush either.

2. Doug and the Children's Hospital do not need to cancel each other out.

3. I really want to see how this plays out. While I believe some experience is preferable, I know plenty of moronic 45-year-olds. Look at some of the local councils if you want to see the definition of "underqualified". Until Doug performs some act of political self-immolation, I will treat him as I do any other potential candidate. Immediately disqualifying him on the basis of his youth is unfair.

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I think all of you should give Mr. Miller a chance to sink or swim on his own. Whether or not he is capable of being a legitimate candidate for political office at his age will be very evident in a short period of time.

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We ... or should I say ... have never been in support of Young Mr. Miller's candidacy ... you however cannot say the same ... I believe this topic is located on either page 9 or 10 in our archives ... the OP is NewAlert ... take a look ... I have already stated how I feel so if you really want to know go back and read it as I will not be responding again to this topic ... but that's just me I don't know how everyone else feels.

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1.  Damn, I am impressed with your memory Lus.  I forget what I've written most of the time, let alone what others have written.

2.  To the question at hand, I've said in the past that young Mr Miller is too young and too inexperienced to qualify for a position of city council.  That noted, it's tempting to vote for him as opposed Janet Evans and her two lackies. An Evans majority will means nothing but self-promotion for Janet Evans, period.  I doubt it will last long, as two years of accomplishing ZILCH with her majority will mean that she will lose it the next time enough konsil seats are up for re-election.


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Glenn, in my opinion, you have become such a shill for Missy Jan whatever we have to say would be irrelevant to you. You used to at least attempt to appear unbiased no more. Now you receive advance viewings of commercials...please! The Evans camp owns you.   In addition, you continue to add legitimacy to that website, by your steadfast posting. A website which is run by a soon to be incarcerated estate bilker of whom you have spoken not one word of outrage about you,  you did however get your ass all up in the air about some unpaid parking tickets as I remember. The  savages, Pilchesky being one of the largest, on a daily basis are tearing peoples lives apart with lies, rumors and innuendo…. that however doesn't seem to bother you in the least. The argument that ohhhhhh I have told them that’s not nice doesn’t hold water Glenn, washing his hands didn’t absolve Pontius Pilot of his involvement of those horrible events pretending a moment of shock then jumping right back in to the vipers pit won’t absolve you either, Glenn. YOU ARE responsible for that websites continued savaging of people... by contributing you helped maintain it. You have blood on your hands Glenn, figuratively speaking.  All the denial in the world won’t separate you from your involvement over there. All of this combined with your lost dignity, lowered standards, less than attractive hero-worshipping doesn’t exactly make me interested in debating you on any subject.  You have lost all my respect

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I still admire any young person for running.  However, the Doug Miller I met last year was actually discussing issues and raising funds for handicap-accessible playgrounds.  He wasn't accusing candidates of gang activity and speaking in generalities which serve only to ass-goose the mayor.

The Doug Miller of then had a chance for my contribution.  The Doug Miller of now does not.  If anything, I'm really disappointed.

I deny nothing else and remain a steadfast supporter of the Democratic slate.  But I appreciate the conversation and still respect the opinions offered here.

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I could not and would not simply give a vote to Dough Miller to stop a super majority ... Hell Janet was in the majority in the past and what did she accomplish ... NOTHING. I am quite insulted that you would think that of me ...

Now I have to say this Rogan, and Joyce ... I hope that do not become Janet's little puppet ... and depending on who sits in that seat that will be vacated by Bill Courtright well who knows if it will be a supermajority ... you may find out in the end that they will not be controlled by Janet ... what is that old saying ... don't count you chickens until they hatch ... what's to stop one of them from deciding they want to be council president ... hmmmmm ... Janet is counting on something that just may nevr happen. One never knows.



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I made it easy for you Glenn the topic is now a stick topic ... happy reading ... my views have not changed. Oh and we hate to be the ones to say We told you so ... but didn't we tell you he was too young for this ... that he wouldn't be able to handle it ... ahhhh ... I think we did ... oh well you knew better didn't you!

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Oh what a difference a year makes ...

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There is no three-person-majority scenario due to the tie-breaker aspect of the appointment.  Team Evans either wins all three seats for a four-person supermajority or ends up with a two-person minority under Taylor Resident/Council President Dougie Miller. 

While I am all for supporting individuals with special needs, I draw the line at handing them control of an eighty-million-dollar budget.  Dougie even refused to discuss his campaign donors on WILK.  Apparently transparency in government is not one of his goals.

A vote for Dougie Miller would be a monumental mistake and could set city progress back twenty years.  I would guess that even Bob Bolus realizes this now.

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Are you calling Doug a special needs person???  What are you basing that statement on? 

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I have discovered a lot of things about the young man that make me question his ability to serve.  I would like to know (a) how his first year of college went and (b) if he has gotten his driver's license.

Yes, you told me so.  Admitted.

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I personally don't care how young Mr Miller did in college and whether or not he has a driver's license.  Neither will change his age or the fact that he's probably never paid any substantial city taxes. 

Anyway, what's the REAL beef with him Glenn?  ENOUGH ALREADY with the circular, circumspect comments about how he has somehow "changed".  He is not even 20 years old, so he will be doing a lot of changing.

Lastly, the timing of your comments is interesting.  Is IHave right, and you are just shilling for Evans?  Is this in response to the fact that young Mr Miller might actually be getting some traction?



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It is always a political mistake to be so overconfident in the outcome of a race that one does not take any threat, however minor, as gravely as possible. 

The mayor is backing Doug.  Doug denies it, but it is so.  The mayor is a formidable political operative.  Thus, Doug must be treated seriously.  Do I think he will win?  No.  Do I believe the mayor had an even better chance in the spring with his slate and blew it?  Yes.  But Gary DiBileo decided to tilt at windmills for a fifth go-round, and that has tossed some unforeseen bolts into the gears.

The stakes are much higher now, too.

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"The mayor is backing Doug.  Doug denies it, but it is so."

Incorrect.  Young Mr Miller commented on Steve Corbett's Friday evening show that he was being supported by the Mayor.  I heard it with my own two ears.


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I just saw a literature dropped of door to door by some one in the miller camp and it said the Mayor was backing him but that does not mean much seeing he couldnt help charles ,fanucci or gatelli.But the mayor will back any one at this time seeing he hasnt got any of political puppets in for long.I also saw ,miller said he did graduate from da U this is according to him.I believe Doherty is desperate for control of city council,and would back any one whose strings he can pull.Thats just my opinion,it just seems obvious.You have to give this young guy credit.



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Your ears were correct.  I meant financially.  That money is coming from somewhere, and it isn't from Dougie's piggy bank.

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I guess we should  be glad Glen is no "shill" for the Evans camp......he just feels strongly about issues both ways until redirected by the handlers. 

First we see it with the Doug Miller issue posted above now. (by the way his name is Doug not Dougie, Glenn. What a class act you have morphed into, the next thing you know you will be bringing up people's sexual orintation as a descriptive term....Baldy must be mighty proud of your progress.) 

Now we can see it with the Corbett issue.  So which is it Glen a non-issue or an issue Steve Corbet needs to "clarify"? I'll give you few minutes to "check in" with your handlers before you respond.

Your credibility isn't even visible in the rear view mirror anymore Glenn.....what a sad transformation.


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He's telling people he has no objection to Janet Evans.  She comes as a threesome this year, so the message is there.

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Was it "haven't earned his vote yet" (which can certainly be remedied) or "aren't worth his vote" (which is harder to remedy yet still possible)?  I mean, Dougie spoke about nothing.  No issues.  No vision.  And he pretty much blew Corbett off when he was asked about campaign finance.

Honestly, I can't imagine anything but a vote for all three or a vote for none.  If one supports Mrs. Evans, why not give her the tools to fix what needs fixing?

Corbett needs to be asked for some clarification.

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1.  Meaning if they want to know what Corbett thinks, they should call him and ask. 

2.  I think he's a "Dougie".

3.  Credibility is a two-way street.  I don't think there's any here either.

Well, back to shilling.  I mean, it works for the Doherty folks, doesn't it?  Maybe I can lose two million dollars or get a fat taxpayer-funded redevelopment contract.

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1.  Meaning if they want to know what Corbett thinks, they should call him and ask. 

Meaning as I pointed out in the space of 4 Hours YOU said Corbett NEEDS to clarify a so called non-issue.  You said nothing about THEM doing anything! It was a nice try at the old backstep but sorry not even close!

2.  I think he's a "Dougie".

Oh I know you do... that was my point. It shows your class and your rapid descent into DD mentality.  Again let me say...class act.. I am sure Baldy is pleased with your progress!

3.  Credibility is a two-way street.  I don't think there's any here either.

I don't remember any of us suggesting to like Missy Jan or the bald slimeball, you all worship, one day and not the next day. Nor do I remember anyone suggesting we not like them and then turning towards them the next time around.  I don't think you can post even one post where any of us said one thing and then said exactly the opposite in the virtual next breath.  We have made our positions clear .....Pilchesky is a slimeball, his wife is awaiting sentecing for ripping off her dead father's estate which makes her a huge slimeball, Janet Evans is a dirtball politician, every bit as slimy as any other politican.  We never pretended to have any other position, unlike yourself.

Well, back to shilling.  I mean, it works for the Doherty folks, doesn't it?  Maybe I can lose two million dollars or get a fat taxpayer-funded redevelopment contract.

Nice try at redirecting the conversation but this is about you and your free fall into a full DD slimeball position....congrats you make a nice little DD groupie.

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For the record, I STRONGLY object to the 'Janet Evans' being used in reference to the word 'threesome'.  That's just plain disgusting.

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I attempted to have a conversation with Doug Miller a month or so back at a political function.  The operative word there was "attempted".

First, I moved in his direction to give him an opportunity to talk to me, but he quickly avoided eye contact and moved away.  Okay, he's a kid, I understand.  After a few minutes, I walked over and after a short introduction, I asked him what his platform was.  His response was "to try to stop the fighting among council members."   Huh????  Perhaps he didn't understand the question.

I then asked how he thought he could stop all the fighting.  He responded "by working better together".  I don't think Mensa will come calling anytime soon.      

Basically, I found young Mister Miller to be timid and slightly more intelligent than dull normal.  He's a puppet made from inferior timber and I wouldn't vote for him if my other choice was Les Spindler.  He desperately wants to fit in somewhere, but politics isn't the place. 

It's a shame.  When Miller first began appearing at Council meetings, I thought he was precocious.  Now he just seems..."coached", and poorly.    


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I won't argue those points and for the record I am not voting for Doug Miller.  He is a child.  I am simply pointing out Glenn's flip/flopping,  his clear lack of judgement (being kind here) by his close association with the slimeballs across the hall and last but not least his shilling for the Evans camp.

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Glenn's shilling for Evans reminds me of the Russians joining the fight against the Japanese during World War II...you know, two days after the nuclear bombs were dropped.  In other words, it's not a coincidence that Glenn's support comes in a race where Ms Evans has no real competition.

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Let me see if I have this right...

1. Starting a new thread on this site is an offensive if there happens to be a thread that could have been dug up from page 9 or 10 and revived after a couple of years of lying dormant.*

2. You are a flip flopper if you decide after a year that a candidate for which you had some high hopes simply doesn't pan out because he has no platform and is too immature to be a viable choice for voters.

3. You are a shill if you support a candidate that you believe is the better choice of the few who are running for council.**

4. If you post at DD, you are the devil.***

Dang.  For a site based on the stalking of Joe Pilchesky, you people sure are picky!



*Damn, Glenn! You are just being lazy for not using the search option. You need to step up your game.
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Especially if that candidate has the support of Pilchesky.
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Glenn's shilling for Evans reminds me of the Russians joining the fight against the Japanese during World War II...you know, two days after the nuclear bombs were dropped.  In other words, it's not a coincidence that Glenn's support comes in a race where Ms Evans has no real competition.

Surprisingly off the mark for you.  I'm shocked.

So you didn't consider Mrs. Gatelli or Ms. Fanucci real competition?  I certainly did.  Well, Mrs. Gatelli, anyway.  Her primary implosion made it a hell of a lot easier, but still, she is formidable under any circumstances.

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Let me see if I have this right...

1. Starting a new thread on this site is an offensive if there happens to be a thread that could have been dug up from page 9 or 10 and revived after a couple of years of lying dormant.*

Don’t be ridiculous starting a new thread is in no way offensive.  Lus merely pointed out the Glenn had a much different opinion than he previously held.  If that were the only thing that has changed I wouldn’t have a problem, however; I am strongly suspicious as to why he changed his opinion…..Is it Doug Miller’s age? Glenn knew how old Doug would be at the time of swearing in to the office when he supported him, apparently his age isn’t a factor.  Is it Doug Miller’s platform? He had as thin a platform then (meaning no platform) as he does now; apparently it’s not his lack of a platform.  Is it that Doug Miller is naïve and lacks any real or meaningful life experiences? Apparently not, since presumably he is less naïve (however marginal that improvement maybe in a little more than 12 months) and has at least 12 more months of life experiences now than he did in September of 2008.  So what then what changed Glenn’s mind? Is it possible that the change came right around the time that Glenn was “introducing Missy Jan” to her adoring groupies at her fundraiser and the Evans camp started calling Glenn with advance viewings of their campaign commercials? Now let’s assume my guesses are accurate… is that in and of itself a problem? No!  Glenn can support anyone he wants, I am just calling on him to be honest about his support. Glenn stopped supporting Doug when Glen got sucked into the Evans camp plain and simple.

2. You are a flip flopper if you decide after a year that a candidate for which you had some high hopes simply doesn't pan out because he has no platform and is too immature to be a viable choice for voters.   

No not at all.

You are however a flip flopper if as I stated above Doug didn’t have any of those things a year ago when Glen was saying to give him a chance.
You are a flip-flopper if as I demonstrated with the Corbett post (non-issue then 4 hours later an issue that Corbett needs to clarify) you change your mind with no apparent reason.  

You are a flip flopper if you post two directly opposing opinions on the same issue without any reason for your change of mind.
3. You are a shill if you support a candidate that you believe is the better choice of the few who are running for council.** 

No that would be the simple definition of a supporter. You are shill when you pretend to be otherwise.
4. If you post at DD, you are the devil.***

No not the devil but you are a DD groupie (and a fool) if you post there as if the website has anything other than a handful of bitter, mean-spirited, racist, sexist, homophobic, ignorant posters, under the influence of a soon to be incarcerated estate bilker, and an old bald bully with nothing left in the equipment so he has to run what is the equivalent of a high school slam book. Anyone with a shred of decency or dignity or an ounce of self respect couldn’t post there regularly without their stomach turning over. Glenn having not only changed his position on Doug (which as I said is fine) but having to resort to degrading him (i.e. the subtle name change <Dougie>) smells so much like the usual tactics of the Evans team that I am more than convinced of the connection.  You are either with them or a’gin them as the old saying goes.  So once Glen rescinded his support that would not be good enough for them, Glenn will now have to join in on the degrading of the person. Nice! 
Dang.  For a site based on the stalking of Joe Pilchesky, you people sure are picky!
Stalking? Ok you may need to look up that word.  I for one am thankful that the only time I have laid eyes on the guy was quite by accident about 2 years ago and that was quite enough for me



 






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Ok, so Glenn's a shill because he doesn't explain his reasons to you.  Whatever. 

You degrade Sam Patilla by calling him Sammy, but I guess that's ok because he posts at DD and is fair game. Hypocrite.


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We are not surprised that Sammy Patilla copy and pasted are we. There is a whole lot of copying and pasting going on across the hall ... it seems to me as though the kids across the hall don't have an original thought ... just about everything is a copy and paste these days.

Now I'm not trying to say that there were intelligent thoughts going on over there ... but you all have to admit the they were pretty damn original ... not many think the way those idiots think.

Nice to see you posting once in a while Paul ... hope all is well with you!


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NO you still miss my point.  I have no problem with him having that opinion I am just saying >>>since when and why>>>

I have always held the opinion that Sammy is a dufus and since he drew the first blood with his racist/ethnic comments I have no problem with him being degraded. He brought it on himself.  What exactly did Doug Miller do that was so henious he has to be pulled apart?

This board is all about stalking DD.  Copying and pasting posts made at DD is most likely a terms of use violation.  I know it is on other message board systems.  Intellectual property, or something like that.

Stalking a message board? I am not sure that is even physically possible but whatever.  I highly doubt that to copy and paste already posted remarks is even addressed in TOS. However I have to say if it is and the racist/ethnic/sexist/homophobic aren't a violation of the TOS I am certainly in the Twilight Zone. The use of the word Intellectual in the same sentece as DD might make some people's head just explode. I am one of them.......good god!

-- Edited by IHavehadenoughofhaters on Wednesday 21st of October 2009 01:36:27 PM

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Let me see if I have this right...

1. Starting a new thread on this site is an offensive if there happens to be a thread that could have been dug up from page 9 or 10 and revived after a couple of years of lying dormant.*
(No what is offensive is thinking that because Chris Doherty is in support of Doug Miller that we would all change our minds and jump on the band wagon ... that is offensive.  And no it was not dormant for a couple of years ... it was started when the announcements for who is running for Council was made and we all made our statements on how we feel about Young Mr. Miller ... so the thread is one year old but still current because it is about this election. )

2. You are a flip flopper if you decide after a year that a candidate for which you had some high hopes simply doesn't pan out because he has no platform and is too immature to be a viable choice for voters.
(I don't care who he likes or does not actually because for one thing he has no vote in the city of scranton he does not live in Scranton nor is his business here.  So that's why I put no stock into what he thinks is best for this city.  I will not go over and over this same subject ... I have not flip flopped on my feelings and for the record nobody tells me how to feel or who to vote for ... you all assume because I am a Doherty supporter that I am a little sheep that can be told what to do ... how about this for blowing your little theories out of the water ... I do know the Mayor ... that I don't deny ... I am a supporter of the Mayor ... that I don't deny ... but he never ... ever ... ever asked me to vote for any other candidates ... never demanded that I put signs for anyone up in my yard ... and never put one up without first obtaining permission ... which is not something that I can say about other candidates.)

3. You are a shill if you support a candidate that you believe is the better choice of the few who are running for council.**

4. If you post at DD, you are the devil.*** (No ... I don't think anyone here said that ... If you post there you should know and recoginze that Joe Pilchesky and his wife are deciples of the devil not the saviours of this city ... but that is my opinion and to that I am entitled)

Dang.  For a site based on the stalking of Joe Pilchesky, you people sure are picky! (We don't stalk pilchesky ... I actually have only ever seen him in person one time and that was at the Dibileo/Doherty debate at the U ... he came in and stood right next to me ... that does not constitute me stalking him.)

*Damn, Glenn! You are just being lazy for not using the search option. You need to step up your game.
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Especially if that candidate has the support of Pilchesky. (You should only search this thread and you will see it's not Pilchesky's candidate that we asked him to search for ... it's someone that Pilchesky has said the Mayor is supporting ... not Pilchesky!)
***I have to admit that there is a faint odor of brimstone that lingers around Glenn's posts on occasion.  biggrin




 



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