Members Login
Username 
 
Password 
    Remember Me  
PilcheskyDeceit True Freedom of Speech -> True Freedom of Speech ... Pilchesky denies Freedom of Speech -> Didn't The Legion Tell Us Scranton Had $250 Million In Long-Term Debt?
Post Info TOPIC: Didn't The Legion Tell Us Scranton Had $250 Million In Long-Term Debt?
LusOnlyVoice


Site Administrator

Status: Offline
Posts: 5099
Date:
RE: Didn't The Legion Tell Us Scranton Had $250 Million In Long-Term Debt?
Permalink  
 

Shari,

You certainly do not have to talk about Pilchesky or the LOD or the kids across the hall, we have nor requirements that make you bash anyone ... we are not like Pilchesky who will ban you if you do not share the same view as he does ... I think we made that quite clear when you first began posting here ... although that was quite a while ago and you possibly could have forgotten that ... what we will do here is ask you to provide proof to us as we blindly follow no person. I know ... I know ... you think that we are nothing more than a bunch of "Doobies" ... some are ... some are not ... but when you level such allegations we want proof of the allegations ... we will not simply say "Well Shar said it, her husband is a city employee and he knows what's going on ... so Damn it must be true" If that is what you are looking for then I would like to suggest that you make these posts across the hall ... not that I'm telling you to leave ... I am not.

Put simply I think that the point that Ag is trying to make is this ... you want to reduce revenue for the city by cutting the wage tax and the merchantile tax ... yet somehow you think that the city in doing this will be able to increase services? Explain to me how ... even if the Mayor cut several of his cabinet level positions it would not be enough money to cover the increases for the police and fire ... and to add to these departments ... so tell me how would this be accomplished ... the way that I see it ... if you cut these taxes then you would have to further cut all departments ... so now how would it be a more attactive city to live in and draw new business and industry?

Your theory sounds great ... but it would not work ... and I think you know that ...you come here and try to educate the poor slobs of this board ... and well quite frankly these are some of the most intelligent posters that you will ever meet ... they are capable of free thought ... and like to make informed decisions ... something that I am quite sure (since you post at DD) that you are not used to seeing on a message board.

I'm not going to go on and on ... but I do think that rather than try and educate our Ag on this that you may want to agree to disagree ... as I know one thing about him ... he knows his finacial stuff. He knows how it works ... and he will not be swayed to your way of thinking ... unless you provide the proof or all of your little conspiracy theroies ...

Proof is the key to success ... but I would imagine if there were proof of everything that you all have been saying ... for what ... 4 years now ... then Chris Doherty would be sitting in a jail cell by now and not about to make a run at a third term in office!

Lus

__________________

I want everyone to stop and think about one thing ... Joe Pilchesky is not a lawyer ... he's just a guy playing a lawyer on the internet.  Please don't trust your legal needs to this man.
Agamemnon


DD: Where logic & proportion have fallen sloppy dead.

Status: Offline
Posts: 3768
Date:
RE: Didn't The Legion Tell Us Scranton Had $250 Million In Long-Term Debt?
Permalink  
 

Vince...you are absolutely right about reducing the size of government at all levels. It's like managing a home budget...if you are serious about reducing your expenses, you do it by looking at everything, not just, say the grocery bill (for example...everyone should shop their car insurance every three years or so, as you really can save hundreds of dollars per year).

Lus...Thank you for helping to clarify my point. I have a tendency towards the verbose. I think you and Vince basically hit the point I was trying to make in far fewer words.

Shari...My underlines was to make a point (think of it as being like a big swing towards that softball you threw "dude") and you're still incapable of annoying me. What you are capable of though is astonishing me with your ability to go from seemingly reasonable to the absurd. Claiming that the FBI has been paid off by Doherty is even beyond absurd...it's just plain silly. Please do continue to post here, but seriously, if you want to actually engage people in a conversation, you need to leave the Illuminati-esque conspiracies behind.

__________________ 
Free Speech does't require a multi-paragrah disclaimer Mr. Pilchesky.
His Girl Thursday


Guru

Status: Offline
Posts: 2621
Date:
RE: Didn't The Legion Tell Us Scranton Had $250 Million In Long-Term Debt?
Permalink  
 

from a shari post
::: ... Name one small town anywhere that doesn't have paid people working for them and one that doesn't give their employees benefits and pensions? ... :::

Lus -- A few months ago, we had a discussion about a gentleman from the (??) Olyphant/Peckville area who, at the time, was a volunteer fireman (and had been for a number of years) who got hurt or had a heart attack at a fire. The borough/city/township/burg wasn't stepping up or offering to contribute to any of the hospital bills and it had everyone up in arms. Can you wave your magic wand and dig that thread up?

And shari, to add to your long-winded (albeit half-assed) reply to Ag ... Smaller towns/burgs do have either full- or part-time people on their payrolls for clerical and/or manual jobs. But payrolls/pensions for a city the size of Scranton will obviously have to be shown on a much larger scale. Because while some tiny burg up the line may be able to swing it with two snowplows, a garbage truck and a guy with a trailer hitch, Doherty will forever be hip-deep in snow and garbage because people like you and pilcheski will always point a negative finger and have a negative comment about how Doherty's spending too much and not getting enough done. If he spent nothing, charged nothing, had no subcontractors - you people would still have your daily Doherty bitch-fest - just pick a topic on any given day.

Hey -- ask your buddy joe one little question for me --- would all this whoopla be going on today if the ramp was approved?

__________________

Stupid people piss me off !
sharilewis


Member

Status: Offline
Posts: 428
Date:
RE: Didn't The Legion Tell Us Scranton Had $250 Million In Long-Term Debt?
Permalink  
 

Lus, I understood Ag completely. I also understood he was wrong on points in my opinion or didn't know the whole story.

I understand that not all of you are "doobies" but who cares if you are? I was simply responding to a thread I disagreed with. Take it for what it's worth. If you knew the numbers for created positions, professional services and law firms, it would make a big difference. That's a fact.

When did I say I would increase services at all? I said there would not be a reason to decrease services if cuts were made where I believe they could be made.

I never said cuts shouldn't be made across the board. I believe I agreed with Vince's post.

I never called anyone a poor slob, or questioned anyone's intellegence. I just responded in kind to Ag's typical smartass remarks towards me or my opinions.

Your response about Ag's financial abilities is fine, but you made that conclusion. I'm simply stating he didn't know the whole story. If you don't believe me and you set Ag's standards higher than mine, fine. As far as proving everything I say, when has anyone proven I was wrong? I haven't seen any proof of that, just the opinions of some against my opinons. Am I held to a higher standard than Ag? Apparently I am. For once Ag, prove me wrong.

Ag, Illuminati-esque conspiracies? WHat is so absurd about people in business situations or married to people who have people in power at certain levels and watching people get in trouble who do less than others who never get in trouble? Are you that naive to think connections don't keep certain people silent or at least turning the other way and ignoring it? Surely you don't believe certain people of influence don't "fix" things from time to time? You live in a dream world "dude".
If you are looking for details on what I'm speaking about, think again. I have a family to raise. These are vicious people. And I'm not connected nor wealthy enough to fight an assault on my family. And when did I ever say the FBI was "bought off"? Re-read my post Ag. Never said that. But putting words in my mouth while trying to debate me seems to be the norm. My suggestion is take what I say for what it's worth. If you don't agree, fine.

Thursday, it's my understanding that any volunteer, firemen, hospital workers etc must be covered by workers compensation. If that town didn't provide medical payments for that injury, they were wrong.
And keep in mind, a small "burg's" amount of contributing taxpayers are relative to the small workforce. A larger city's amount of taxpayers are relative to the larger workforce. If you think that's "half assed" you are wrong also. Just because people think something, doen't mean it's right. I'm confident...no, sure.... what I posted is right. I love when I bring problems or information to light and all some can say is that we bitch. Truly riveting debate once again Thursday.
So why don't we agree to disagree as prompted by Lus. I'm in.



As far as the ramp? Why don't you ask him yourself?





__________________
IHavehadenoughofhaters


Guru

Status: Offline
Posts: 3414
Date:
RE: Didn't The Legion Tell Us Scranton Had $250 Million In Long-Term Debt?
Permalink  
 

Naw....I know the story about the ramp is bull$hit but do you think I should ask him about Edith's little money issue in Erie?? LOL You think he would tell the truth?? lol lol

__________________

Hey Joey?? Bite me! :))
Agamemnon


DD: Where logic & proportion have fallen sloppy dead.

Status: Offline
Posts: 3768
Date:
Didn't The Legion Tell Us Scranton Had $250 Million In Long-Term Debt?
Permalink  
 

Let's take stock of Shari's accusations, and put some names to the titles, as the accusations are pretty serious. According to Shari, small city mayor Chris Doherty has paid off/greased/bribed the following individuals in order to prevent them from investigating his nefarious actions:

1. Lackawanna County District Attorney Andrew Jarbola
2. Pennsylvania Attorney General Tom Corbett
3. Pennsylvania Auditor General Jack Wagner
4. The Federal Bureau of Investigation [Name(s) to be provided by Shari]

Let me say for the record that, while my opinion of the performance of the individuals/organizations noted above varies considerably, I personally don't think any of them are on "Doherty's payroll", as noted by Shari.

Just wanted to make that crystal clear.

Anyone else wishing to support Shari on this one feel free to speak up now. I'm sure he would appreciate the support. Don't all rush in at the same time.


-- Edited by Agamemnon at 07:15, 2009-01-22

__________________ 
Free Speech does't require a multi-paragrah disclaimer Mr. Pilchesky.
sharilewis


Member

Status: Offline
Posts: 428
Date:
RE: Didn't The Legion Tell Us Scranton Had $250 Million In Long-Term Debt?
Permalink  
 

Very childish Ag, when you lose a debate and have to end a thread like this with such nonsense. Were we not talking about the cities debt? Oh, that's right, you were wrong about that. Let's try to make this thread something else. Maybe my seven other posters will not notice how wrong I was.
Have a nice day big fella!
I'll see you when you're wrong again. Just trying to help the naive.

__________________
His Girl Thursday


Guru

Status: Offline
Posts: 2621
Date:
RE: Didn't The Legion Tell Us Scranton Had $250 Million In Long-Term Debt?
Permalink  
 

::: ... Just because people think something, doen't mean it's right ... .:::
Add to it, that it also doesn't make it "TRUE" and you can post that little tidbit across the hall under just about every thread on all their umpteen pages of topics.

Hey -- shari says I'm wrong again
must be "TRUE" -- must be "RIGHT"

__________________

Stupid people piss me off !
IHavehadenoughofhaters


Guru

Status: Offline
Posts: 3414
Date:
Didn't The Legion Tell Us Scranton Had $250 Million In Long-Term Debt?
Permalink  
 

What nonsense Sherri?? I believe Agam was correctly calling you on YOUR words dear not his. I have highlighted you accusations below. If you don't want to be held accountable for your words post them next door, where rumors and inuendo are the flavor of the day, not here. Over here we exercise a bit of self control when it comes to out right accustions of money exchanges or as you put it outlayed money.



sharilewis wrote:

I'll keep playing Ag. And I do get it, thank you.
I didn't refer to Pilchesky once and I thought this thread was about the city's debt. I really don't care about talking about Pilchesky or the references you make about who posts over there. I was just interested in this post and responded. If you want to keep bring up posters on DD or the "legion of doom", fine. I'm not playing that. I just wanted to respond to the subject at hand. If I'm annoying you by not taking your bait by getting into a debate about posters or Plchesky, I'm sorry. I just wanted to educate you on the city's finances and the importance of this subject to all of us.
Also, you shown your defeatest attitude by saying no city will get investment without public money. I don't subscribe to that attitude. If a city has a low taxation rate, safe streets and a value relative to services/tax rates, a city will be successful and people will want to move there. Once the people are there, business will follow to service and profit from the population. Building things and hoping people will come, has never been very successful. This city needs to focus on safe, clean neighborhoods. We've been pumping state, federal and local tax dollars into the downtown for nearly 40 years. Has that built our true tax base? No it hasn't. We need a radical shift in where we spend our money. ANd to build a safe and clean city, we need services. DPW, Fire and Police. Not bridges to nowhere, treehouses and grants for KOZ businesses downtown that half of them have failed already. The reason they failed is because noone is patronizing them. There's not enough people to support those businesses.
That's the true crime. CHris Doherty is not pushing businesses to open because he thinks they will be successful, he's financing them to get the ribbon cutting pictures and purveying the sense of progress to get what he always wanted: a congressional seat. This isn't about rebuilding the city, this has always been about building his political future. (at any cost) 100's of millions of dollars spent, a million to get re-elected etc) It's been a dismal failure.
Where is the FBI? The attorney general? The DA? The auditor general? Check it out Ag, he's connected to all of them. It's been hands off since the start. Money talks and he's outlayed a ton of it to all of them.

I can only assume the audit's lack of conversation over there is because many posters don't understand the issues. Other than Pilchesky, Glen and a few others that have a grip on it, most subjects discussed are surface issues. The obvious, in your face stuff.
As far as my relationship with city employees, maybe it should be obvious that I'm one of the people who inject my thoughts to them. They learn quickly and see it clearly. Many of them know much more than I. They have a horse in the race and are passionate, my motivation is stopping a man that's completely ruining a city I love and don't want to leave. Most of my friends and family have left, as can I. I chose to stay and fight a little longer.

As far as my mortgage, I understand what you are saying,but I do need to afford the payments on that mortgage. The city cannot afford the mortgage payments Chris Doherty created unless he builds the tax base. He's doing the opposite. Once he reduces services further (especially the police) that tax base will decline further, compounding the situation. He can care less, since he can afford it. Most cannot. Most people outside of the city can enjoy the new bars, the parks and the treehouse. They then go home to their 1% wage tax, or their no merchantile taxed businesses. No harm to them. But then again, aren't they the people Doherty has been playing to? Why is that? You don't get Ag, do you?




-- Edited by IHavehadenoughofhaters at 11:22, 2009-01-22

__________________

Hey Joey?? Bite me! :))
sharilewis


Member

Status: Offline
Posts: 428
Date:
RE: Didn't The Legion Tell Us Scranton Had $250 Million In Long-Term Debt?
Permalink  
 

I answered that in a subsequent post. I love how people pick and choose bits of what I post and insinuate I'm some sort of idiot, but no one here chooses to answer or debate what I bring to the discussion. Just more moronic blabber. It amazes me how you are being fleeced by the city, but you can spend all your time and energy on forming a web site about another web site. Some of you are the reason why people like Chris Doherty exist in public life. You have more interest in entertaining yourselves about a guy with a web site and the people that post on it than what's happening around you. If you want to play, let me reiterate my questions below Ag. And do you really not find these items not important? Nope, probably not. It's more important to talk about DD posters. What a sad pathetic shame. But then again, it shows with the vast numbers of posters here. I know, who the heck am I to make that statement. Just enjoy your past and future sewer rate and tax increases.




As far as what Doherty did good for the city?
Name one thing he's done at a reasonable price? (taking bids)
Name one thing he's done that didn't have a campaign contributor attached to the project? (Pay to play)
Name one thing he's done to build the tax base?
Name one thing he's done to bring real jobs to the city other than waitress and bartending jobs?
Name one of his accomplishments tht didn't have public money attached to it? Where are the private investors willing to put more than 50% of their own money up?
What has he done to keep successful businesses from moving out?
What has he done to reduce the wage tax?
What has he done to reduce the oppressive merchantile tax?


__________________
davidevans


Member

Status: Offline
Posts: 82
Date:
Mostly blinders
Permalink  
 

Shari you are correct. You are wrong though about most of these posters. They are pretty fair. A little short in the memorythough. IHave is probably the only retarded poster. Just likes to quarrel ! You can't argue with these people. Ya can't win. The mayor is doing us wonders and we should just sit back and take it. ;} Don't think for a minute that things are going unnoticed by outside agencies. Sometings just haven't come home to roost.Every question you asked are accurate. Don't dare give the otherside of the dime or you too will be tard and feathered. I've had emailchats with a few of them. They seem pretty straight with strong opinions that are good. They just don't feel for the little guy and never will no matter how they deny it.. Stop beaten it ! It will start to hurt after awhile.

__________________
Puzzler


Named Most Valuable Poster 4/5/09

Status: Offline
Posts: 204
Date:
RE: Didn't The Legion Tell Us Scranton Had $250 Million In Long-Term Debt?
Permalink  
 

Shari can you fill me in on exactly where "The herd he runs with (and their children) do not come from our side of the tracks." is?
As far as good for the city, I actually do enjoy the dog park as well as walking Nay Aug with my dogs. When friends visit from out of town, it is nice to be able to take them to a place in Scranton where alcohol consumption is not the primary activity.

__________________
Agamemnon


DD: Where logic & proportion have fallen sloppy dead.

Status: Offline
Posts: 3768
Date:
Didn't The Legion Tell Us Scranton Had $250 Million In Long-Term Debt?
Permalink  
 

"I answered that in a subsequent post. I love how people pick and choose bits of what I post and insinuate I'm some sort of idiot, but no one here chooses to answer or debate what I bring to the discussion. Just more moronic blabber."


"Moronic blabber"? This is coming from someone who said that Chris Doherty has successfully bribed the FBI. You see Shari, I think we agree on about 50% of the points you raise. However it was you who decided to go (as the Robert Downey Jr. character from Tropic Thunder said) "full retard" by turning a serious discussion into something best left for late-night talk radio.

Yes, I'm guilty of giving you the opportunity, I'm guilty of calling you out on it, but I'm not guilty of torching any credibility you had: I left that part for you.

Now I'm not a politically savy guy, but I have figured out one thing about Pilchesky and his followers (which includes you): when given the opportunity, you almost always do more harm to your own credibility than Chris Doherty, Judy Gatelli or anyone else ever could. It's in your nature; the hate you (Pilchesky & others) have for Doherty simply makes you sloppy.

Face it Shari: you wanted to come here and "persuade" us that Chris Doherty is some evil monster, conviently before the primary election. However it was you who got side-tracked into making statements that probably only you, that scumbag Anti and Ray Lyman agree with. Mission failed. Oh, and you will be reminded of your little rant, frequently.



-- Edited by Agamemnon at 18:53, 2009-01-22

__________________ 
Free Speech does't require a multi-paragrah disclaimer Mr. Pilchesky.
sharilewis


Member

Status: Offline
Posts: 428
Date:
RE: Didn't The Legion Tell Us Scranton Had $250 Million In Long-Term Debt?
Permalink  
 

The dog park is great Puzzler. But what if I told you we paid about $210,000 too much for it? But that's ok I guess.
Or the new Nay Aug bathhouse that doesn't meet codes and we paid about 50% more for than it's worth.
Sorry, it doesn't matter here. It's not the proper forum. More important things are discussed here like some anti-irish nut case.

__________________
sharilewis


Member

Status: Offline
Posts: 428
Date:
RE: Didn't The Legion Tell Us Scranton Had $250 Million In Long-Term Debt?
Permalink  
 

Hi David. I hear what you're saying. Some, even Ag, makes sense. It just frustrates me that soe of these people would spend their time posting on unimportant subjects. If they focused on important items such as the rape of our city, many more would take the time to come here and have civil discussions on political topics. I'm just in the wrong forum. They have their thing going here and that's their perogative.

__________________
VinceWhirlwind


Member

Status: Offline
Posts: 124
Date:
RE: Didn't The Legion Tell Us Scranton Had $250 Million In Long-Term Debt?
Permalink  
 

But what you are missing is the debt of the parking authority, the Scranton Redevelopment Authority and the Sewer Authority. That number does not include interest on the debt either. While it may not be proper to include the authority debt, doesn't make it less real. All debt incurred by the authorities are backed up by the city's ability to tax it's citizens. What that means is the taxpayers are ultimately on the hook for authority debt.

in some sense you're right about the taxpayers being on the hook for authority debt, but can you show me where the CITY is paying it? i have had political experience on another level and i do know that the taxing bodies do have to approve and somewhat guarantee a bond issue (borrowing) but seldom does it happen that they actually have to pay out on it. because they are the larger form of government that the municipal authority operates within, the city/municipality has to pass (approve) any borrowing. the fact is, it's more of a nodding your head that you understand what their doingrelationship, it's not cosigning the loan. that should not be combined in one lump sum with current borrowing. on another note, how is it that the school district's finances and others are thrown into that mix and presented as a package that the mayor has pushed upon the people? i didn't hear anyone raising a ruckus when the school district raised their tax rates (every year mind you) i didn't see any administration, etc. step up and state that because of the poor economy they really shouldn't take their raise, etc. There are many, many problems with the format and practices of unions (don't go wild, i'm talking ALL unions, locally and nationally) that really need to be looked at and rewritten. this format worked when people worked 12/14 hour days, seven days a week under an oppressive owner/manager, etc. Our lives are different now, our work is different now. i'm not bashing anyone but, what was so wonderful about this city 10 years ago? 15 years ago? you keep bringing up the parks, but if i remember correctly people used to complain that they DIDn't have them, now that they do, we're complaining about it again? we do need grant money and should have it just like every other city, town, state in this entire country. google some funding streams and realize that actually private money (you stated 50%) is almost always leveraged for funding from other sources in any sort of development. that's how funding works locally, regionally and nationally. any sort of funding that you try to apply for is always for the following year, not the one you're currently in, hence the wait for projects to be completed. nothing happens in an instant. i know i'm going on and on, but other people too know things about these processes.

__________________
sharilewis


Member

Status: Offline
Posts: 428
Date:
RE: Didn't The Legion Tell Us Scranton Had $250 Million In Long-Term Debt?
Permalink  
 

Vince. A few thoughts to consider.

I cannot find any money sent from the general fund for the SRA. But, the city, your tax dollars are being transfered tothe SPA to cover salary. So in effect, your city money is propping up the parking authority for two reasons: Excessive borrowing and too many employees. The sewer authority had to raise rates over 50% to pay for the 5 million penalty when Chris Doherty broke the contract with American Water Co. (the private manager HE brought here in the first place)
We are on the hook for two of the authorities right now.

I never threw in the SSD's debt. We havenothing to do with that. Some like Ozzie Quinn will place the county's, city's and School dstrict's debt in one basket, since he's a part of a general taxpayers association. I'm strictly refering to city debt and taxpayer backed authority debt.

Good point about unions Vince. The reason we have fairly normal working conditions is because of unions. It will revert back if unions don't continue their fight. Just slip in a coal barron madman like the mayor and you see what you get.

Parks: Everyone, including me wanted the park system repaired, but where were the bids? WHy didn't he get the best price for the repairs? He blew millions to give cronys the contracts. Everything he did was way overpriced or done in less than a quality job. Yes people know about the processes. I'm just giving you my take on it. Take it for what it's worth. It's either my opinion or I'm sharing what I know.



__________________
VinceWhirlwind


Member

Status: Offline
Posts: 124
Date:
RE: Didn't The Legion Tell Us Scranton Had $250 Million In Long-Term Debt?
Permalink  
 

I cannot find any money sent from the general fund for the SRA. But, the city, your tax dollars are being transfered to the SPA to cover salary.

cannot find? does that mean that there is no proof of your statement? unless your husband has access to the budgets, figures or otherwise, i'll take that as a no. then let us stop speculating about what people say around the water cooler.

We are on the hook for two of the authorities right now. please explain clearly and with facts what you mean.

some like ozzie quinn will run a company into the groundwho's mission was to help people and promote home ownership for low and middle income citizensand then want to take charge of the taxpayers' interests? Good Grief, i can't believe people even listen to this nut job! no thanks. that's seems to me to be part of the problem.

The reason we have fairly normal working conditions is because of unions. It will revert back if unions don't continue their fight.

I'm not sure i understand what horrible working conditions we're facing in city government, can you explain this to me? i think of work as a full day's work for a full day's pay. i imagine you're talking about the union contracts and that's a whole other ball of wax. some things i agree with, some i absolutely don't. some of the aspects of these contracts have been blown completely out of proportion when it wasn't necessary. enough about that.

you also mentioned bids: i found some of this information and it goes like this after which i'll tell you what i know from working with the federal and state government:
The city is waiting for permits from the Pennsylvania Department of Transportation for the 100-foot, $400,000 pedestrian bridge that will allow people to view the other side of the Nay Aug gorge. Construction is expected to start this fall. The bridge could be completed before the end of this year. The money came from a federal grant obtained by U.S. Rep. Paul Kanjorski combined with city funds from last year's bond issue. The Federal government requires that projects are bid and that they comply with the Davis-Bacon Act among other things. One of the things is following the contract expiration, a report of grant expenses along with invoices must be sent to the federal government. if there are any irregularities with this and procedures were not followed, the money in question must be returned. i haven't found any incidence of this. Have you?

Renovations are almost complete on new rest room facilities in the 100-year-old stone comfort station near Nay Aug's bandstand. The $20,000 project will be handicapped accessible. The city's Office of Economic and Community Development obtained federal funds for the project.

yet again, same scenario. these are just examples i have found in the quarter-hour that i looked for them. how has no one else found anything to dispute this? do you have evidence that procedures were not followed?


__________________
sharilewis


Member

Status: Offline
Posts: 428
Date:
RE: Didn't The Legion Tell Us Scranton Had $250 Million In Long-Term Debt?
Permalink  
 

Vince, I cannot prove anything about the SRA because I never saw anything in the budgets that perain to the SRA. For the best of my knowledge, I don't know of any city money going to the SRA. The SPA and the Sewer Authority ar a different story. If you know of any money going to the SRA, enlighten me. I'm not aware of it.

Clearly, there is a line item in the budget that sends over $800,000 of general fund money to the SPA. I believe it was increased by $70,000 this year.
You sewer rates went up by over 50% right after the city (mayor) broke the contract with American Water. That was published in many articles.

I do not know of any regulations that were violated relative to the bridge. I never mentioned that and don't know much about it, other than my opinion that federal money could be spent more wisely than a bridge over the river. It's worthless pork to me. I mentioned the pool bathhouse, not the bridge.



__________________
LusOnlyVoice


Site Administrator

Status: Offline
Posts: 5099
Date:
RE: Didn't The Legion Tell Us Scranton Had $250 Million In Long-Term Debt?
Permalink  
 

sharilewis wrote:

I answered that in a subsequent post. I love how people pick and choose bits of what I post and insinuate I'm some sort of idiot, (Shari, I do not think you are an idiot)but no one here chooses to answer or debate what I bring to the discussion. Just more moronic blabber. (Maybe you see it as moronic blabber because you have another opinion ... and that's ok)It amazes me how you are being fleeced by the city, but you can spend all your time and energy on forming a web site about another web site. (Quite honestly ... I started this ... all by myself and not to make fun of another website ... but for the same way you are feeling about us ... the only difference being ... I was not allowed to express my views ... because they were not the sameshared DD beliefs ... so I was banned. And for the record ... it does not take up all that much of my time ... really it doesn't)Some of you are the reason why people like Chris Doherty exist in public life. (I do understand the way you are feeling ... and you are right I am one of the reasons ... I have never denied it ... but until someone comes along that I feel will be better for this city ... I will remain a reason that he exists ... as of right now ... he will definetly be getting my vote. I have never denied that) You have more interest in entertaining yourselves about a guy with a web site and the people that post on it than what's happening around you. (as for Joe Pilchesky being entertaining ... I do not find him entertaing at all ... I find what he does to be vile and disgusting ... and I do think he can be a very dangerous man ... that is just my opinion) If you want to play, let me reiterate my questions below Ag. And do you really not find these items not important? Nope, probably not. It's more important to talk about DD posters. What a sad pathetic shame. But then again, it shows with the vast numbers of posters here. I know, who the heck am I to make that statement. Just enjoy your past and future sewer rate and tax increases.




As far as what Doherty did good for the city?
Name one thing he's done at a reasonable price? (taking bids)
Name one thing he's done that didn't have a campaign contributor attached to the project? (Pay to play)
Name one thing he's done to build the tax base?
Name one thing he's done to bring real jobs to the city other than waitress and bartending jobs?
Name one of his accomplishments tht didn't have public money attached to it? Where are the private investors willing to put more than 50% of their own money up?
What has he done to keep successful businesses from moving out?
What has he done to reduce the wage tax?
What has he done to reduce the oppressive merchantile tax?


Ag did not start this site ... nor did IHave, GirlThursday, Paul, Art Gordon ... I did ... and I posted alone for a bit ... and still today we are not a booming sucess in terms that anyone else would look at this site ... but what we are ... a few people who were denied the right to free speech by Joe Pilchesky ... the man who thinks that there is no other right more important than the right to the freedom of speech. Is that not deceit on Joe Pilchesky's part? He banns people for not thinking the way he does. He denies open honest debate.

Shari I think that you are under the impression that the posters here hate you ... and maybe they do ... I have not asked ... but I don't think that is true ... I think that they are just debating you ... they may even agree with you one day on something ... who knows and then you will see.

Hell ... I wish we still had our Chumster posts ... then you would see that even we didn't all agree ... and then you would see that Girl edited one of my posts ... why ... because every now and again even I don't provided the proof and am subject to the same rules as everyone else .... They want proof ... and so do I ... and I do believe you also want proof ... or you wouldn't keep coming back here.

This place is not really about making fun of the posts ... what it is about is this ... it's about questioning the posts from across the hall and demanding proof of the crazy insinuations that they make about the personal lives of the public officials and their families ...


I don't think that is wrong ... but then again that is just my opinion.



__________________

I want everyone to stop and think about one thing ... Joe Pilchesky is not a lawyer ... he's just a guy playing a lawyer on the internet.  Please don't trust your legal needs to this man.
LusOnlyVoice


Site Administrator

Status: Offline
Posts: 5099
Date:
RE: Didn't The Legion Tell Us Scranton Had $250 Million In Long-Term Debt?
Permalink  
 

sharilewis wrote:

The dog park is great Puzzler. But what if I told you we paid about $210,000 too much for it? But that's ok I guess.
Or the new Nay Aug bathhouse that doesn't meet codes and we paid about 50% more for than it's worth.
Sorry, it doesn't matter here. It's not the proper forum. More important things are discussed here like some anti-irish nut case.



Shari ... The Dog Park ... major overspending ... you are right ... but have we ever looked into wether or not all of that money spent at Connel Park was specifically spent on the Dog Park ... or did they repair all of the fencing ... did they maybe ... fix all of the sidewalks ... have they made repairs to other things in that park ... or was it spent entirely on the "Dog Park"? I don't know ... but it's a good question to ask when trying to get to the bottom of the price on that park.

Now as to the bath house ... I have never been inside of it so I don't know if it is not large enough ... I don't know what the cost is of building one ... I don't know ... I do know that on DD there are poststhat say someone was upset about going into a locker room and seeing someone changing their clothes ... oh my God ... how about that seeing a naked woman in a locker room that was meant for people to change in .... that's just crazy ... don't you think ... or maybe I'm wrong ... but it is something I would expect to see in a "Locker room".

That Anti-Irish Nut case ... well I thought it was important to discuss some of the things that he posted ... to compare some of our Public officials to Nazis ... well that was simply rediculous ... to say that every Irish person in this town is a product of inbreeding ... that was highly offensive ... and to say that if you are Irish ... that you care more about your property value than you do your children ....... well ... all I can say is this ... I am 100% of Irish Decent ... and he offended me ... so I spoke out against it.

Tell me more about the pool house ... give me the facts ... tell me how much it should have cost (with proof of course) ... show me ...




__________________

I want everyone to stop and think about one thing ... Joe Pilchesky is not a lawyer ... he's just a guy playing a lawyer on the internet.  Please don't trust your legal needs to this man.
Agamemnon


DD: Where logic & proportion have fallen sloppy dead.

Status: Offline
Posts: 3768
Date:
RE: Didn't The Legion Tell Us Scranton Had $250 Million In Long-Term Debt?
Permalink  
 

Tell me more about the pool house ... give me the facts ... tell me how much it should have cost (with proof of course) ... show me ...


How dare you ask for proof Lus. Well I know you didn't direct that comment to me, but I'll respond never the less.

This thread started out with proof: namely that certain DD posters and at least one regular council speakers have misstated the city debt.

[The proof part? I pasted the DD postings & we've all heard Nelson speak. I also cited the Rossi audit on the actual amout of the debt. There's proof.]

Why? In the case of Nelson, it's purely self-interest. He could have ranted till the cows came home that the city had $100 million in long term debt...which is far-in-away too much...but instead he decided to jack it up three times. Think about it...he had a great point to make but he blew it. Had he not gotten greedy and sloppy, people would be saying "yupp, Nelson nailed it"; instead, you have bozos like me pointing out that under no circumstances is the cost of debt ever expressed in the terms that he used.

Now Shari has extended this discussion into dimension unintended, which is fine with me. However he wants us to take his rants as fact without the benefit of anything other than, apparently, his good will. We've seen that before. Remember, this is the poster who previously told us that he has taken stands against the racist rants at DD...in order to gain some measure of credibillity...however he just doesn't want to actually tell us his DD name, lest we be able to prove it.

See any similarities?

It's perfectly okay to say that "Doherty overpaid for __________ project" as an opinion, but when you set that up as a fact, it's not okay without benefit of proof. What's more, it's my humble opinion that, the bigger the accusation, the higher the standard for proof. If you say that "Doherty paid too much for a Dodge Durrango city vehicle", then I think the standard of proof is pretty low...simply say what you think the city paid and look up the value of the SUV online. Simple enough, huh? Now if you say "Doherty has bought off the DA, FBI, AG, etc." then be prepared to offer a higher standard of proof to back up the big accusation or be prepared to be called out on it when you can't.

This isn't rocket science, it's common sense.

__________________ 
Free Speech does't require a multi-paragrah disclaimer Mr. Pilchesky.
His Girl Thursday


Guru

Status: Offline
Posts: 2621
Date:
Didn't The Legion Tell Us Scranton Had $250 Million In Long-Term Debt?
Permalink  
 

::: ... You have more interest in entertaining yourselves about a guy with a web site and the people that post on it than what's happening around you. ... :::

shari, you continually point a finger at us with statements (above), but should point the finger back at yourselves when you state these words. These same words can be also a very appropriate description of many of the people who post at dd. many of the posters there take whatever pilcheski says as gospel and whip themselves into a frenzy over the antics of a guy with a website and the constant one upmanship happening around them. All's fine and dandy when one of the radicals has got a bug up his arse and joe either pulls out a new alter ego (or dusts off one of his older ones) to antagonize him.

shari, I've said from Day 1 that I will keep the political debates to the people here more in-the-know than I. My original intent in joining in the posting here was to point a finger and laugh at the nonsense I read across the hall, since I was banned and couldn't do it over there to their faces (so to speak). And let me say yet again ... I was not banned for anything I said, I never got the chance - I was banned for a user name that joe pilcheski didn't deem appropriate. I find that laughable!! After all the nonsense, sexual inuendo and perversions posted, discussed and pictured over there, I find it appalling pilcheski banned ANYone for a user name.

So, yeah -- I'll call you on proof when I feel it is needed - and for the most part, I'll stand by the other posters here when they've got a beef with you or anyone else.

Now, on that note ... The dog park -- never been there and don't plan to be, so, on that subject, I have no 'opion' (dammit, where's granma??)

I will, however, concede to shari the discussion about the poolhouse. For the amount supposedly spent on it, you could build a decent 3-bed/2-bath home. The old poolhouse certainly was antiquated and needed to be replaced or repaired, but it could have been done at less money than was spent on what it has been replaced with. (edited to add --- or could have been largerwith more ammenities for the [yes] $250,000 price tag)

see ... I can get along ...



-- Edited by His Girl Thursday at 10:20, 2009-01-23

__________________

Stupid people piss me off !
IHavehadenoughofhaters


Guru

Status: Offline
Posts: 3414
Date:
RE: Didn't The Legion Tell Us Scranton Had $250 Million In Long-Term Debt?
Permalink  
 

Ok Sherri you want me to take you and the issues seriously fine I will..... right after you tell me what activism you engaged in to advance the health of the city BEFORE the DO-RE-MI stopped flowing into your paychecks?? Another words while the city was going to hell in a handbag but the city workers were still getting their raises, perks, and give-me's what were you doing to help out the "little guy"?? Riddle me that batman....... J

When you can convince me your are in this for anyone else but yourself I may actually take the time to discuss the issues with you. Despite your opinion of my interest, I actually engage in extensive conversations (with people who opinion of such thingsI actually consider worth paying attention to)about local/state/national politics on a regular basis.J




__________________

Hey Joey?? Bite me! :))
sharilewis


Member

Status: Offline
Posts: 428
Date:
RE: Didn't The Legion Tell Us Scranton Had $250 Million In Long-Term Debt?
Permalink  
 

Well this is good news today. Chris Doherty gets to lay off firemen, close fire stations and eliminates medical care for retirees. Great! Oh, wait, didn't he say he would "never cut pubic safety"? Now we pay 25% more in taxes and we'll get less fire department services. Great deal for us, don't you think?

__________________
VinceWhirlwind


Member

Status: Offline
Posts: 124
Date:
RE: Didn't The Legion Tell Us Scranton Had $250 Million In Long-Term Debt?
Permalink  
 

eliminates medical care for retirees.

in any job i've worked in, i've never imagined i would have free health care for the rest of my life. why should anyone? once you're of the age of retirement, your medicare coverage takes over, correct? won't the person collect a decent pension for the rest of their life?

__________________
LusOnlyVoice


Site Administrator

Status: Offline
Posts: 5099
Date:
RE: Didn't The Legion Tell Us Scranton Had $250 Million In Long-Term Debt?
Permalink  
 

VinceWhirlwind wrote:

eliminates medical care for retirees.

in any job i've worked in, i've never imagined i would have free health care for the rest of my life. why should anyone? once you're of the age of retirement, your medicare coverage takes over, correct? won't the person collect a decent pension for the rest of their life?


Vince ... it is not always the case that one is of age for medicare when they retire ... some retire on years of service ... if someone goes out after 30 years and they started when they were 20 ... well then there is quite a wait before they reach the age in which medicare will kick in ... and I don't know how good the city pension is or isn't ... anyway I just thought that I would add that.



__________________

I want everyone to stop and think about one thing ... Joe Pilchesky is not a lawyer ... he's just a guy playing a lawyer on the internet.  Please don't trust your legal needs to this man.
Agamemnon


DD: Where logic & proportion have fallen sloppy dead.

Status: Offline
Posts: 3768
Date:
Didn't The Legion Tell Us Scranton Had $250 Million In Long-Term Debt?
Permalink  
 

Vince...you are absolutely correct.

The vast majority of private sector employers have either eliminated or frozen retiree healthcare coverage (my employer has frozen it, effective for anyone retiring this year). I'm wondering why anyone would think they are entitled to it.

As for coverage, first, assume that someone retires at age 65. At that age, they are eligible for Medicare and they then should (if they were smart/well advised) purchase Medi-gap insurance to cover what Medicare doesn't. Medi-gap insurance cost vary depending on the age of the insured & their general health. If you buy it early, say right after retirement, you can get it for a fairly reasonable rate if you shop around. After that you pay your premium + required deductibles, and then (depending on the coverage) the combination pretty much pays for everything else.

Medicare FAQ here.


-- Edited by Agamemnon at 10:55, 2009-01-24

__________________ 
Free Speech does't require a multi-paragrah disclaimer Mr. Pilchesky.
LusOnlyVoice


Site Administrator

Status: Offline
Posts: 5099
Date:
RE: Didn't The Legion Tell Us Scranton Had $250 Million In Long-Term Debt?
Permalink  
 

Ag ... correct me if I am wrong ... but the employer must offer cobra plan (retirees pay for coverage) after they retire or leave ... am I right or wrong.

So in effect these employees would have the option to purchase from the city through their plan a cobra plan until they reach the age that Medicare would kick in??? Yes or .... No?

__________________

I want everyone to stop and think about one thing ... Joe Pilchesky is not a lawyer ... he's just a guy playing a lawyer on the internet.  Please don't trust your legal needs to this man.
VinceWhirlwind


Member

Status: Offline
Posts: 124
Date:
RE: Didn't The Legion Tell Us Scranton Had $250 Million In Long-Term Debt?
Permalink  
 

lus, i believe you're correct on the COBRA option. i'm just amazed some think they're entitled to benefits for the rest of their lives outside of social security and medicare. am i incorrect in believing this?



__________________
«First  <  1 2 3 4  >  Last»  | Page of 4  sorted by
 
Quick Reply

Please log in to post quick replies.
PilcheskyDeceit True Freedom of Speech -> True Freedom of Speech ... Pilchesky denies Freedom of Speech -> Didn't The Legion Tell Us Scranton Had $250 Million In Long-Term Debt?
Tweet this page Post to Digg Post to Del.icio.us


Create your own FREE Forum
Report Abuse 		Powered by ActiveBoard