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doomers wrote: Chris is a guy who had a smart business man as a father.......and he then chose to sell the trinkets after daddy died. Doomers, I believe that you are incorrect. The Mayor's father started the business that sold "trinkets"; it's now run by his children. It's not as if the Mayor's father started a different business and then the sons turned it into a "trinket" selling business. Also, to put it in context, the Mayor graduated from Holy Cross and worked in New York City (where he met his wife) before coming back to Scranton to raise his family. It's not as if he didn't have a successful career before coming back to Scranton to somehow leech off of his father's work. Finally Doomers...if I can get somewhat personal for a moment...I sense a lot of anger in you...anger about where you live, anger about the economy, etc. Why all the hositlity? Sure, you can fit my home inside Mayor Doherty's two or three times, but you know what? I don't care, nor should the Mayor care that you could fit his home two or three times into where Bill Gates lives. It's all relevent...no matter how much better you think "the other guy" has it, there is always someone his has it better than they do. Living your life through this lens of "I'm pissed because someone seems to have it better than me" is poisonous. By all means Doomers...be righteously pissed off if someone (including Chris Doherty) wrongs you...but the fact that someone lives in a bigger house than you isn't a wrong against you. -- Edited by Agamemnon on Saturday 28th of March 2009 07:05:14 AM __________________ Free Speech does't require a multi-paragrah disclaimer Mr. Pilchesky.

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Ag, the man's got an opinion and nothing we do is going to change it. After all, it's the only thing he can call his own, right? It sounds to me like Doomers picked a very appropriate name for himself when he signed up here. Just like the Doomers across the hall, if you don't agree with them, or give them what they want when they want it -- you're wrong -- then they'll talk about you like you have a tail. __________________ Stupid people piss me off !

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Ag...I will send you a check for my "shrink"session. I am far from poisonus... I don't care if Chris Doherty lived in a shak.....I Don't think he is a good person nor a good mayor...PERIOD.. PLEASE son't lecture me with your "jelousy" crap....It's my opinon and that is all it is..... It proves my point that some people think that if you don't like Chris it is a jelousy issue. I gave you a list of things he said he was going to do and you ignored ALL of them except that I am "poisonus" cause he has a bigger house than me. My house is big, I have alot of money in the bank, I have a great family, etc. I DON"T LIKE THE GUY... SWALLOW IT AND DON'T LECTURE ME WITH CRAP. It is sad that because I don't agree with your opinons....now I am a bad guy. No.... I don;t like Doherty, or Pilchesky. Sorry my "opinon" offends you (few) people. __________________ Joe P., truly an racist a s s.

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Talk to me about the issues......If you really think the guy is so great....Whay are we distressed still....why is the wage tax still 2.4%...and why aren't the contracts settled. Stop ignoring the issues,,,,,, __________________ Joe P., truly an racist a s s.

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No I will vote for Gary because Chris is a pric*....if you want the truth......I am not jelous of anybody I do as good as or if not better than Gary financally. He has put this city in more debt than any mayor before him.... He treats the average person like garbage..... The streets in my neighborhood and through out this city are a diagrace....but they have green lines on them.... He refuses to reduce the wage tax,,,,,, He lies constantly..... He refuses to get this city out of destressed status..... He refuses to implement a QRS syaytem to save lives..... He refuses to answer "real questions".... HE is using the people of Scranton as a step stone to a higher office..... Should I continue........They are some of my reasons not Jelousy.... Chris has no accomplishments...his family does....period..... I will never usnderstand why DOherty supporters can't take a simple "the guy sucks as mayor" for there answer....always has to have a underline jelousy or crazy stuff. __________________ Joe P., truly an racist a s s.

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doomers wrote: Talk to me about the issues......If you really think the guy is so great....Whay are we distressed still....why is the wage tax still 2.4%...and why aren't the contracts settled. Stop ignoring the issues,,,,,, 1 I don’t need to give a single thing Doherty has done or not done because I am not working for his campaign I could careless who you vote for or don’t vote for…I can however recommend chilling out... trust me this election will not make you a winner or a loser no matter who comes out on top....unless of course you will be one of the political beneficiaries everyone claims they hate until it is "their guy in the seat and it's them or their friends benefiting. You paying attention to this Sherri/Bo Peep??) 2 Ok lets play devils advocate here ...Chris sucks ....there now that’s been said… and you are trying to get us to see your point of view…..tell me how Gary will be any better and do not throw talking points at me such as....Gary will heal all wounds, take away all taxes and cure world hunger because he cares......I want details. How will he lower the wage tax... what funding source will he use as a backup to plug the hole from the reduced wage tax. How will he entice business here? What does a good relationship with municipal workers look like to him? How will he conduct hiring in the office? That should be good to get started with let me know when you have the answers. -- Edited by IHavehadenoughofhaters on Sunday 29th of March 2009 10:15:52 AM __________________ Hey Joey?? Bite me! :))

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Doomers ... what you fail to realize is this ... I am not going to try and waste my time to try and convince you to vote for Chris Doherty ... and why ... because you will never see the city of Scranton through my eyes ... just as I will never see the City of Scranton through your eyes ... therefore my efforts to convince you would prove to be fruitless ... now I have over the past few years of posting to this site given reasons ... feel free to look them up. You however seem hell bent on convincing all of us to vote for DiBileo ... so it is you who needs to provide the information for us. Convince me ... I'm pretty sure it won't work ... as I do not think that Gary is a strong enough leader at this time. He surrounds himself with people who will stoop to anything to try and win the election. He did it last time and it's starting all over again. Tell me the valid reasons why I should vote for Gary. __________________ I want everyone to stop and think about one thing ... Joe Pilchesky is not a lawyer ... he's just a guy playing a lawyer on the internet. Please don't trust your legal needs to this man.

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First let me say I don't want to upset anyone. Next... DO I think Gary Dibileo is the best person to vote for.?.....not all all, however (in my opinion) he is the lesser of two evils. I really have no idea how Gary will balnce the budget...work with the unions.... and part the red see...I am not on the campaign, What I do know is what I read, and hear in interviews. WE have tried Chris's way for eight years, and I personally think it failed. We went from an idiot who sang Johnny B Good every day to a smart man (who I voted for twice) who ran this city into the ground financilly. There is nothing for young graduates here but min. wage jobs. Yes, that is the chamber of commerce(another problem in itself) Treehouses, and parks don't pay the bills. This city needs more revenue sources....not high paying consultants(OMG I sound like JAN). Why did the budget go from 56k to 90k in 8 years??? It isn't working and frankly GAry D might not br the guy to do it,,,,,but I have had enough of the "restoring the pride." People in this city are divided. Everyone talks about the 500 blk of Lackawanna....how does that keep a young family in this city. The utility companies paved half the streets in this city, why hasn't the city?? Look "downtown" the streets aren't even marked with lines....buy every MArch we can paint the green. YIKES I sound like some of the Legion....but some points are valid. This city is NOT moving forward. My attitude is I will try Gary and if he fails I will eat crow and vote for someone else in four years. I don't like Chris Doherty's politics and never will. It makes me sick when I see Joey P supporting Gary D........doesn't mean I will vote for Chris just because a loon supports Gary....I know many loons that support Doherty. __________________ Joe P., truly an racist a s s.

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Just so you know Doomers ... I am not voting for Chris Dohety because of Joe Pilchesky ... I am voting for him because unlike you I think that we are seeing progress in the city. I think that fixing up the parks is great and I was actually at Nay Aug park yesterday and the place was hopping with people enjoying the park ... kids in the tree house and they loved it ... kids playing on the playgrounds and they loved it .. kids walking on the "bridge to nowhere" and yes that's right they loved it ... and the best part of this whole experience ... it was a great day for families to take their children out ... and not have to pay a penny for it ... I saw families enjoying picnic lunches ... walking ... riding bikes and one little guy running around in his little electric car. Now maybe you are not someone who goes out and enjoys the park and that's ok ... but some of us enjoy taking our families there and enjoying a day that has cost us nothing at all ... there are so many things to see and enjoy at the park ...and I for one am glad that they started to keep the place up. I remember a time when you would walk through and there would be garbage strewn everywhere ... not now ... As far as why the utility companies are paving the roads ... well hell they keep ripping them up so they damn well should pave them ... have you ever noticed that as soon as the city paves a road the water company comes along and tears it up ... well they should have to at the very least pave them. Pot holes are not new to this administration ... they have been on everyone's yearly bitch fest list since I was a child and I am not a spring chicken anymore. If today was a nicer day I would be heading over to SS to Connell Park ... but it's not my idea of a park day today. As far as the 500 blk of Lackawanna Ave is concerned ... well it looks 100% better than it did before ... I'm sorry that you can't see that ... but it does at least to me look better. I know you want the wage tax reduced ... who does not ... but how is the city going to pay the bills if they reduce it ... if taxes are lowered how are they ever going to settle the contracts and give raises to the unions and others ... I see the progress ... I know that for the first time in many years the DPW union has got decent working conditions ... they have a brand new facility along with newer equipment ... it's been years since they have gotten anything. More men died in the line of duty working for the DPW over the last 15 to 20 years due to faulty equipment and overall safety issues that needed to be addressed and never were ... so progress ... yes I see it ... And as for politics ... you don't like the politics of Chris Doherty ... I don't like the politics of Gary DiBileo and those he chooses to surround himself with ... so we will have to I guess just agree to disagree on this ... but it does not mean that we have to be angry with each other ... does it? __________________ I want everyone to stop and think about one thing ... Joe Pilchesky is not a lawyer ... he's just a guy playing a lawyer on the internet. Please don't trust your legal needs to this man.

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I don't care who you vote for ... taxes will never come down. They've gotten us to pay this dollar amount for so long -- there's not a chance in hell that taxes will ever be lowered -- no matter WHO is mayor. __________________ Stupid people piss me off !

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You got that right Girl!! __________________ Hey Joey?? Bite me! :))

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no I am not angry with anyone we just disagree.......for the record I think Nayaug park is a wonderful place to go at Christmas and the summer, HOWEVER I just think you should have more to claim than the park after 8 yrs....we will agree to disagree. __________________ Joe P., truly an racist a s s.

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doomers wrote: Ag...I will send you a check for my "shrink"session. I am far from poisonus... I don't care if Chris Doherty lived in a shak..... [removed for space by Agamemenon] It is sad that because I don't agree with your opinons....now I am a bad guy. No.... I don;t like Doherty, or Pilchesky. Sorry my "opinon" offends you (few) people. 1. You don't care if Doherty lives in a shack? Funny, but you were the one who brought up the whole mansion deal. 2. Not a good person? Do you know him personally in order to make that determination? I can see questioning his abilities as Mayor (for the record I have on this board...), but I highly doubt that you know him "as a person". 3. "Jealousy crap"...again, you brought up the whole class warfare thing. A bit of advice: If you don't want something used in retort against you, then I suggest not giving others the issue in the first place. Put another way, the whole mansion thing is being talked about because you brought it up. 4. You don't know the guy...you know how he has performed as Mayor. Read your own posts Doomers. I don't disagree with some of what you have said about his performance, but AGAIN, it was you that turned this into "I don't like him as a person, he lives in a mansion, woe is me...". 5. Your opinion doesn't offend me, and in fact I agree with some of what you have said. However, you poison your own arguments by making your beef with Doherty personal. Note to the wise: unless you are a city employee who hasn't had a raise in years, you DON'T have a personal beef with the man...you have a beef with his perfomance as a politician. Vote against the guy...that's your right...but if you are going to make accusations, then don't be so senstive when you are questioned on them. As for the issue of the wage tax and other things like it, NO MAYOR will be able to reduce Scranton's taxes without reducing services. It's that simple. Scranton has an infrastructure designed for a city of 100,000+, not 70,000+...it's called "structural deficit". Do you honestly think that Gary DiBileo has the guts to take on the city unions to reduce costs? Of course he doesn't. Gary is a nice guy and he will work hard to get along well with the unions. If elected, he would negotiate contracts that will favor the unions and...MARK MY WORDS...Scranton's taxes will go no where, except maybe up. On the other hand, I have two problems with Chris Doherty's performance as Mayor: First, he has a horrible eye for talent. Some of his cabinet members simply are/were not qualified for the positions they were given. Second, he should have reduced administration costs along with insisting the same from union members. His big spending has taken away capital from his ability to force concessions from the unions...concessions that I think really are needed. I'm going to vote for Chris Doherty because I think he has the right ideas, even if he execution is far from perfect; that, coupled with the good that he has done (such as the parks) makes him a better choice than Gary DiBileo. -- Edited by Agamemnon on Sunday 29th of March 2009 07:23:15 PM __________________ Free Speech does't require a multi-paragrah disclaimer Mr. Pilchesky.

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fair enough..... __________________ Joe P., truly an racist a s s.

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"As for the issue of the wage tax and other things like it, NO MAYOR will be able to reduce Scranton's taxes without reducing services. It's that simple. Scranton has an infrastructure designed for a city of 100,000+, not 70,000+...it's called "structural deficit". Do you honestly think that Gary DiBileo has the guts to take on the city unions to reduce costs? Of course he doesn't. Gary is a nice guy and he will work hard to get along well with the unions. If elected, he would negotiate contracts that will favor the unions and...MARK MY WORDS...Scranton's taxes will go no where, except maybe up." Here are some numbers that might dispute what you are saying. 2002 city budget - $56,597,640.00 2009 city budget - $78,657,754.00 Police 2002 budget - $10,795,995.00 Police 2009 budget - $13,250,017.00 Fire 2002 budget - $ 13,709,910.00 Fire 2009 budget - $ 13,939,348.00 The combined increase of Fire and Police from 2002 to 2009 is $2,683,460.00. The increase in the City's budget is $22,060,114.00. The unions aren't the problem. Fiscal mismanagement is! The difference is over $19 million dollars. The cost of operating the city increased NOT because of public safety, but because of increasing the size of govenment. Do we need $19 million dollars more government than we did in 2002? Scranton could lower taxes if they spent the money wisely instead of wasting it on bigger government. I'm not saying Dibileo is the man to do it, but Chris Doherty has gotten worse every year. __________________

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I don't think anyone said it couldn't be done we said it wouldn't be done....by either candidate and I still think that is acurate. If I am not mistaken Gary was on council and had enough votes to be council president so why didn't he pass legisation to lower taxes then? I would need to see those numbers in context with the rest of the budget to be able to determine their meaning. __________________ Hey Joey?? Bite me! :))

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That is some preety strong proof......I was told today that it is APROX 750,000k per 1/10th of a percent........so why couldn't he decrease it at least one tenth of a percent.......In his first term he stated "the wage tax is what keeps people from staying in Scranton, refering to being asked about why it is so high." Again Gary isn;t the best guy for the job.........but I will give him a try....I agree Doherty has failed. __________________ Joe P., truly an racist a s s.

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Read this. http://www.scrantonpa.gov/business_admin_docs/2007%20Audit%20Report.pdf As for the issue of the wage tax and other things like it, NO MAYOR will be able to reduce Scranton's taxes without reducing services. It's that simple. Scranton has an infrastructure designed for a city of 100,000+, not 70,000+...it's called "structural deficit". Do you honestly think that Gary DiBileo has the guts to take on the city unions to reduce costs? Of course he doesn't. Gary is a nice guy and he will work hard to get along well with the unions. If elected, he would negotiate contracts that will favor the unions and...MARK MY WORDS...Scranton's taxes will go no where, except maybe up. a. Sure the wage tax could be lowered. Just cut all the fat Doherty created and lower it. The only problem is the debt payments are so high now, that it will be much harder to develop a plan to lower the wage tax. A new mayor can reverse much of the 20+million dollar increase in spending that Doherty hatched. Most of that increase was for created patronage jobs and projects. Not the general operation of the city. b. That's Scranton Times rhetoric. As the city's population declined, so did the workforce. DPW is half the size it was 25 years ago. (80) The fire department was at 225 people 25 years ago. (150) The police department was at 253 25 years ago (140) and the city hall workers are nearly 50% lower. (69) Management and new positions increased by 42 jobs thus far. c. there is no structural deficit. Read the audit in the link I provided. That's the 07 audit. Doherty has lied to everyone, each and every year about the financial condition of the city. The 25% property tax increase was a fraud. d. Gary DiBileo will not negotiate any contracts, since the contracts for police and fire will be dictated by the courts up to the year 2014. That's more Doherty rhetoric. On the other hand, I have two problems with Chris Doherty's performance as Mayor: First, he has a horrible eye for talent. Some of his cabinet members simply are/were not qualified for the positions they were given. Now that's the understatement of the year! Second, he should have reduced administration costs along with insisting the same from union members. His big spending has taken away capital from his ability to force concessions from the unions...concessions that I think really are needed. You can't get blood from a stone, but a mostly agree with you other assessments. I'm going to vote for Chris Doherty because I think he has the right ideas, even if he execution is far from perfect; )(second biggest understatement) that, coupled with the good that he has done (such as the parks) makes him a better choice than Gary DiBileo. I guess wasting approximately $8,000,000 on his "park improvements" is ok? i.e. over priced contracts? The end doesn't always justify the means. __________________

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IHavehadenoughofhaters wrote: doomers wrote: Talk to me about the issues......If you really think the guy is so great....Whay are we distressed still....why is the wage tax still 2.4%...and why aren't the contracts settled. Stop ignoring the issues,,,,,, 1 I don’t need to give a single thing Doherty has done or not done because I am not working for his campaign I could careless who you vote for or don’t vote for…I can however recommend chilling out... trust me this election will not make you a winner or a loser no matter who comes out on top....unless of course you will be one of the political beneficiaries everyone claims they hate until it is "their guy in the seat and it's them or their friends benefiting. You paying attention to this Sherri/Bo Peep??) Holy crap you say her name and she appears like beatlejuice!! __________________ Hey Joey?? Bite me! :))

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Just like Jeanie! __________________

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lol lol __________________ Hey Joey?? Bite me! :))

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OK, I'm usually here just for $hits and giggles, but I finally have something to say. Taxes can not and will not be lowered because of the debts incurred by Chris Doherty. There I said it. But --- if you think about it rationally (before going off on a Chris Doherty tirade), how much money was spent by any administration before this one - for ANY reason to make this city better? Hmmm??? Anyone ??? You got The Steamtown Mall. End of story. Before Doherty: There was no work done downtown. There were empty storefronts and dilapidated buildings from one end of Wyoming Ave to the other. Things are changing downtown and nothing any of you nay-sayers say can change that. Before Doherty: There wasn't a "bad" neighborhood in all of Scranton -- they were ALL bad -- the Hill, South Side and West Side were among the worst. Cleaning up Nay Aug Park was definitely a plus for the Hill residents and nothing any of you nay-sayers say can change that. Before Doherty: There was panic at the disco every time a raindrop hit the Lackawanna River. There were people up in arms from Carbondale all the way the hell down to Old Forge (and points south). These municipalities have worked on levies and dikes from upstream all the way down the line. You divert water upstream (Carbondale and Olyphant) the banks are definitely going to widen downstream (Scranton). The only people that should be bitching about the work Doherty has done in Scranton, are the people downstream. If the Lower Green Ridge people have a gripe about the floodwaters - bitch to the Olyphant Borough and Carbondale CIty/Twp Administrators, because it's THEIR fault the banks are overflowing in Lower Green Ridge. Chris Doherty has made a valiant effort to divert the flood waters along the Lackawanna and nothing any of you nay-sayers say can change that. Before Doherty: Many people who worked in the city of Scranton had to park outside the city or get soaked at a meter. Friends of mine had to park in a lot Washington Ave on the other side of Lackawanna Ave, some parked all the way up in Elm Park's lot and the university or on the other side of the Spruce Street bridge and hoof their way in. On a personal note, I appreciate the fact that there is a parking garage around the corner from my office. I have to pay to park there, but I have the convenience of not having to shovel my car out or have the sun beating down on it all day. Did it cost money to build it? YES. Do I have to help defray the cost by paying my taxes and coughing up a few bucks a month for that convenience? YES. Am I bitching about it? NO. Call me spoiled, but nothing any of you nay-sayers say can change the fact that it costs money for conveniences. So, yes, Chris Doherty HAS done alot for the city and he has had to spend money to do it. Maybe he hasn't done what YOU wanted him to do when he got in office, but he hasn't been sitting on his hands in his office for eight years. No, the man's not perfect and he hasn't gotten everything right, but Gary Dibilio ??? please ... The only thing he was good for on council was a poor attempt at placating the legionnaires. Speaking of Legionnaires - Les, please accept my sincere condolences at the loss of your mother. -- Edited by His Girl Thursday on Tuesday 31st of March 2009 09:40:50 AM __________________ Stupid people piss me off !

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Well Girl you take the award!! Nicely done. Please allow me to add my condolances as well. __________________ Hey Joey?? Bite me! :))

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Girl Thursday: I started to compose a lengthy reply to your post, but then thought better of it. You obviously drank the Kool -Aid. I am no nay-sayer, but am definitely a realist. I don't have a closed mind, but to continually repeat, "Nothing any of you nay-sayers can change that", displays your unilateral mindset. Hope life stays just as rosy for you...... __________________

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Balko Girl is not the only one who can see the good that is happening ... if you don't then as she says there is nothing that can be done to change that. Now you talk about the increase in the budget from 2002 until now ... here is a thought to keep in mind. Fuel to run vehicles has increased dramatically in the past few years. The price of gas to heat building ... again ... has increased dramatically in the past few years ... not to mention the price of electric ... do you see where I am goiing ... prices have gone up for everything ... in the 6 years that you are referring to ... so I think that a nice chunk of that rise in cost is due to the fact that prices have not remained the same on goods and services ... shipping costs have risen ... that is evident when we make a trip to the grocery store and we see the dramatic increase there ... everything has increased over the past 6 years ... so of cours the budget has gone up ...you didn't expect that it would stay exactly the same did you? __________________ I want everyone to stop and think about one thing ... Joe Pilchesky is not a lawyer ... he's just a guy playing a lawyer on the internet. Please don't trust your legal needs to this man.

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Date: Tue Mar 31 7:04 AM, 2009

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First, I want to thank Shari for finally dispelling the notion that she/he is just some "regular Scranton citizen who has friends who work for the city". It's pretty clear to me that Shari is, in fact, a city employee and is most likely a union officer. Now I don't have a problem with that...hell, at least he/she has a reason to be pissed at the Mayor...but I do have a problem with him/her not admitting the truth from the get-go. So anyway, hi Dave and or Nancy. As to the points made by Shari, some I will not despute (Scranton has a bloated administration), others I will. What I'm not gonig to do is to engage in a back and forth over the obvious (namely that some dislike the Mayor because he stood up to the unions), mainly because there is nothing that anyone could ever say that would convice the likes of Shari that Doherty is anything other than evil. Why waste my time? Besides, this is "Pilchesky Deceit"...funny how Shari avoids the topic of "Pilchesky" like the plague. What's wrong Shari...don't want to upset "the Master"? Anyway... a) Scranton was in debt and had deficits under Jimmy Connors, but yet the unions were relatively happy (after the beginning of his first term). The difference now? Well there is more debt now, but at least we have something to show for it. Note that I don't agree with the level of debt, but I don't disagree with the notion of investing in the city either. b) To the point about workforce size: the workforce was disgustingly bloated 25 years ago becuase the city unions effectively ran the government. Going from disgustingly bloated to simly "probably still too large" doens't make much of a point. Shari also makes it sound as if the city unions have been strategic partners in reducing the size of their workforces...in fact, they fought it tooth and nail. Oh, and if you (Shari) are going to quote employee numbers, please site a non-union source. Not that I don't believe you...well actually I don't, but that's beside the point. c) No structural deficit? Then tell me: who was the last Mayor to have consistently balanced budgets that didn't reply on one-time revenue sources or accounting gimmicks? d) This is my favorite point. Now for almost 8 years the police and firemen (especially the firemen...have to protect those side jobs) have been crying that Mayor Doherty woudn't negotiate in good faith. Dave Gervasi would come the podium at konsil meetings and practically beg the Mayor to sit down so as to avoid stuff going to the courts, but that's where the contracts now reside. The unions have bet their treasuries that Act 47 can't be used to trump labor contracts. If the unions win and the courts decide that the Distressed Cities Act can't be used to void labor contracts or that the city violated it's own distressed status, then guess what? A Mayor DiBileo would be free to negotiate with the unions...and we all know where that one will lead. Oh and Shari, if you are just some "city housewife who has friends that work for the city", how in the hell did you know about the courts deciding labor contracts through 2014? Think about it: why would the unions be so vocal in their support of Gary DiBileo? It's because they know if he is the Mayor they stand a good chance of regaining salary and benefits that they have not gotten under Mayor Doherty. DiBileo has promised to end the City's distressed status...I heard him say it myself. Now I don't blame the unions for engaging in some selfish best interest...hell, that's capitalism for you...but I will call them out when it's cloaked in "we only want what's best for all of Scranton's residents" bull$hit. They want what's best for them. It pains me to admit this, but that racist pig Anti is spot on about the unions when he says... But first, Dibileo needs to stand up to those greedy munciipal unions who are trying to run his campaign AGAIN. Reference here. Oh, and for the record, Shari...before you pleasure us with a reply in this thread, why don't you post your thoughts on Joanne's estate bilking activities in that thread first? After all, this is Pilchesky Deceit and your little mission from DD to here to "covert the heathens" has failed. Save your union talking points, as we'll think for ourselves...thank you very much. On a final note, I often wonder whether it's Pilchesky using the unions, or the unions using Pilchesky. It's one or the other. -- Edited by Agamemnon on Tuesday 31st of March 2009 06:12:26 AM __________________ Free Speech does't require a multi-paragrah disclaimer Mr. Pilchesky.

Balko the wonder dog

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Date: Tue Mar 31 8:04 AM, 2009

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It's painfully obvious the unions want Dibileo because they have suffered under the Doherty administration. Pilchesky is exploiting the unions for his own personal interests, and once he is finished with them, there will probably be a "Wanted, anything and everything about Nelson or Gervasi" thread. But I digress. I recognize the city has seen improvements, so please don't paint me as a doom and gloom person. I see a more inviting downtown area, blight removal in some areas, and a vast improvement in parks. However, what irks me to no end is the Mayor's incessant whining the unions are the cause of the fiscal catastrophe the city has become. I use the word catastrophe because Doherty has borrowed millions to make these improvements, while the ever eroding tax base will bear the burden of repaying the loans. The dept payments have ballooned from approximately 3 million dollars a year (under Connors) to almost 19 million dollars a year currently. One could argue the increase in a budget was cover the cost of borrowing alone. Ultimately, a decision must be made on what public services the city can afford. While the police, DPW, and fire departments have been downsized over the past 20 years, the city can ill afford the continued payments. Currently (whether anyone here is honest enough to admit it,) the city's fire and police department are grossly underpaid. To compensate these people at a rate at which they deserve, someone needs to make the tough decision to CUT police and firemen. (Despite any union protests, manning clauses were eliminated by the State Supreme Court a few years ago) Doherty realizes this would hurt him politically, so he continues to fight the never-ending court battle, refusing to give the workers a fair wage, but also refusing to make the tough decision and lay off workers. You can't have it both ways. A few staunch Doherty supporters still stand unflinchingly behind the "unions are keeping us distressed" notion, but the rest of the general public, even the sheep which comprise the majority of Lackawanna County residents, are tired of the fiction. Either spend the money on infrastructure, parks, culture, etc. and eliminate municipal employees (including cops, firemen, DPW, clerical, and the bloated administration)......Or.... make public safety a priority, and stop spending money the city doesn't have on pet projects. I repeat...you can't have it both ways. My main criticism of Doherty? He has not created any jobs to stem the flow of talented young people seeking to live elsewhere, and his own self serving political aspirations have hampered his ability to make the real tough choices he should have made. I was critical of Connors 8 years ago because he was spineless. Doherty has embraced the "make the unions whipping boys" theme, but has proved to be equally spineless in resolving the real issue. Instead, the city has languished for 8 years with labor unrest, untold lawyers fees fighting the battle, and he could have resolved the issue easily if he just had the balls to make the real tough decisions, instead of pretending to. And for the record, no, Dibileo won't fix the problem either. __________________

Agamemnon

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Date: Tue Mar 31 9:41 AM, 2009

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Balko...I probably agree with more of what you wrote than disagree. A few thought though... ...I agree that the police are underpaid. It's a tough job and they don't get the respect they deserve. Every moment a policeman/woman is on duty they are potentially in harms way. That's the big difference in my mind between the police and firemen. ...I disagree that the firemen are underpaid. Do they put their lives on the line when they go out on a call? Sure they do...but when they are not on calls...which is most of the time...what are they doing? What's more, union demanded (and successive city mayors agreement to) schedules have created a situation where many of them have side-jobs that add substantially to their income. Years ago I lived near a Scranton fireman who ran a sign business "in his spare time". Now I don't bemoan anyone for making a buck, but I do have a problem with making that buck and then crying "foul!" because the current administration isn't enabling these extra activities. ...I don't think it's possible for any Mayor...in any city...to directly create jobs. Jobs are created by the private sector (at least the jobs I think we all agree are desirable...), and at best a city administration can create conditions that lure business. Despite what you hear, the business climate in Scranton is bad, but it's not horrible. Some of the taxes are punatively high (such as the wage tax), while others (such as property taxes) are actually fairly low in comparison to other areas. Infrastructure costs, such as electric, are very competitive with other areas. What a mayor can and should do is strive to reduce the cost of doing business in a city, poster a positive attitude, and market the city like there is no tomorrow. In that regard, I give Doherty grades of D, A & B. ...I agree that no typical Scranton politician...be it Chris Doherty, Gary DiBileo or Janet Evans...will make the changes that are really required to make Scranton work. In fact, such a person may not exist, and give the salary earned by the Mayor...$50,000/year...it's unlikely anyone will step up anytime soon. Now if you are working in Arby's, $50,000 may seem like a forture, but when you consider what it required of a Mayor for a city like Scranton, it's grossly inadequate. I'm not divulging secrets here, but I don't consider my job to be nearly as tough as that of Scranton's chief executive, yet I earn substantially more than the position offers. Assuming I was otherwise qualified for the job and were intersted in it, why would I take the nearly 50% pay cut? No wonder the job is a magnet for those desiring to climb the political ladder...it offers nothing else. -- Edited by Agamemnon on Tuesday 31st of March 2009 08:42:10 AM __________________ Free Speech does't require a multi-paragrah disclaimer Mr. Pilchesky.

sharilewis

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Date: Tue Mar 31 10:22 AM, 2009

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Ag, you outdid yourself this time. But thank you since I consider that a compliment. I don't fancy myself to be that informed as Nancy or David, but I'll take it! As far as the Pilcheskys, I'll say it again (for the hundreth time), I am not concerned about what they do. Again, their website is a vehicle to get information out to people that you cannot or will not hear in the media. What they do or did it their problem, not mine. You kep refering to the unions under Connors like you insist what you read in the Times is real. Let me educate you again. The unions (all of them) took the biggest cuts in their history under Jimmy Connors. Your quote that the unions were "relatively happy" under mayor Connors is completely false. The only thing different between Connors and Doherty is Connors didn't enjoy screwing over the city employees. It appears to be a sport to Doherty. Screwing with family's lives and livelyhoods gives him pleasure. Connors used the state and the distressed city laws to clobber them, but without the meanspiritness that Doherty utilizes. Additionally, you stress the same Times rhetoric that somehow the unions ran or run the city. You are truly a disciple of the Scranton Times. I thought you were smarter than that, but apparently you are not. You state the city's workforce is still oversized and you base that one what? Please elaborate on your vast knowledge of ratio between workers and workload. How do I know about the courts deciding contracts till 2014? I read Ag. http://www.scrantontimes.com/articles/2009/03/20/news/sc_times_trib. 20090320.a.pg4.tt20appeal_s1.2383705_loc.txt........ or I can just ask my better half. Try it someday, reading the truth instead of taking the easy way out by reading what the Scranton Times wants you to hear and repeating what you read like it's gospel. You and sheep like you are the reason why this region is the most corrupt area of the country. You believe what people tell you without taking a moment to find out if it's true. Take a moment and read the audit I posted. There you will see where the city is financially and not the lies the mayor or the Times tells you. Or is it more important to spend time disecting a mosty train wreck of a web site and a person who cannot raise your taxes, waste your money on his own personal political desires or divde and run a city into the ground that you profess you love. You're the problem AG. Fess up to it and do something about it. If not, lets just be fat and happy, watch American Idol and sit around and bitch about our children moving away for this corrupt area. Balko,save your breath. Fine post but no one is listening. They're obsessed with Pilchesky and nothing more. Post edited only to cut the length of The Times link -- Edited by His Girl Thursday on Tuesday 31st of March 2009 10:09:19 AM __________________

Agamemnon

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Date: Tue Mar 31 10:36 AM, 2009

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I'm going to break my own word (with apologies) and respond Shari... Ouch...I must have hit a nerve. Oh, and riddle me this BatShari...If I am such as "sheep", why then have I been so critical of Doherty? You're taking the easy way out. Forget me, as you're spouting union talking points like you wrote them yourself (then again maybe you did...). -- Edited by Agamemnon on Tuesday 31st of March 2009 09:37:52 AM __________________ Free Speech does't require a multi-paragrah disclaimer Mr. Pilchesky.