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Doug Miller will kick off his campaign for City Council in 2009 on Oct. 1 from 7 to 9 p.m. at Starter's Pub & Eatery, 432 N. Cameron Ave. Tickets are $25.


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http://thetimes-tribune.com/articles/2008/09/11/news/sc_times_trib.20080911.a.pg4.tt11campaign2008_s1.1936723_loc.txt

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I appreciate young Mr Miller's enthusiasm and interest in public service, but I just don't think he's qualified for the job when it comes to either personal or professional experience. Yes, I'm sure his experience on Junior Council has benefited him and given him some insight into how government works, but running a city is more than just an intellectual exercise...first and foremost, it's about good decision making, which often times only comes from life experience.

I do wish him well though. Now does this mean I would never vote for him? No, that's not true. For example, if I had to choose between young Mr Miller and Janet Evans, I'd vote for him in a heartbeat. Between him and anyone else currently on council (even Sherry Nealon-Fanucci, who I don't think does a stellar job), I'd vote for the incumbents first.

My free advice for young Mr. Miller?
- Finish school & get your degree
- Start your own business or work for a large company
- Get some meaningful leadership experience
- Become involved in a few meaningful causes

..and then come back to the ballot.




-- Edited by Agamemnon at 08:54, 2008-09-13

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Exactly Ag ... I would more than likely one day vote for Mr. Miller ... but right now I would like someone with a bit more experience ... life experience as well as leadership experience.

I thought Mr. Miller was going away to college ... I thought that I remembered him saying that as part of his farewell to Jr. Council speech ... I might be thinking of someone else though ....

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I believe that Mrs. Fanucci, with her referrals to "capital gains projects" and the "SPCA" for the parking authority, has lowered the bar sufficiently enough for one to at least consider Doug Miller's candidacy. His age and experience mean that he has to work even harder to prove himself.

If he has doesn't put forward a comprehensive platform with some progressive ideas, it's over. But I have to give him credit for putting a lot of chips on the table here.

He's getting $25 from me.

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Ms Nealon-Fanucci is not the first, nor the last politician to have trouble verbalizing her thoughts. In fact, our very own President Bush has been known to mis-speak frequently and with vigor (except during debates when he has the hearpiece thing going), so clearly "well spoken" and "politician" don't necessarily have to go hand-in-hand.

Young Mr Miller could very well be a much more polished speaker than Ms Nealon-Fanucci, and hell he may even know the difference between the ASPCA and SPA. That's all well and good, but the young man has, what, 20 total years of life in him? Of that, he's probably been active in the community for maybe four or five. Regardless of his platform, that simply doesn't cut it. Yes, he has youth, enthusiasm and a desire for public service on his side...the latter being a key element that he has that Janet Evans does not (I strongly suspect that Ms Evans primary driver is private...not public...service, as evidenced by her actions of council and the manner in which she obtained her teaching position).

As I said before, I wish young Mr Miller all the luck in the world. Also some credit, I think, goes out to Bob Bolus for helping him out. I'll be saving my $25 and donating it to St Jude's.

-- Edited by Agamemnon at 09:25, 2008-09-14

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1. I'm not too impressed with George W. Bush either.

2. Doug and the Children's Hospital do not need to cancel each other out.

3. I really want to see how this plays out. While I believe some experience is preferable, I know plenty of moronic 45-year-olds. Look at some of the local councils if you want to see the definition of "underqualified". Until Doug performs some act of political self-immolation, I will treat him as I do any other potential candidate. Immediately disqualifying him on the basis of his youth is unfair.

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He does not even have 20 years Ag ... he just graduated high school in the past school year ... so that would put him at 18 years old ... possibly 19 ...



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The fact that someone as smart as Glenn is even considering young Mr Miller is telling in and of itself.

I do agree that ineptitude isn't age specific; in fact, one bit of "experience" that I am sure some get is the "experience to game the system". That, I think, covers Glenn's comment about 45 year olds out there being "moronic". However, by giving young Mr Miller a pass in the age & life experience department, we are basically allowing other bad elective decisions to corner us into making another one.

Again, I have nothing against young Mr Miller. He's a bright, well spoken young man. I'm sure he's very well informed (much more so than, say Ms Fanucci-Nealon), very enthusiastic (more so than, say, Mr McGoff), and his heart for public service seem to be in the right place (as opposed to Ms Evans...who's heart is in the place that provides the most personal gain for her). HOWEVER, none of that will help when he is faced with the moral, ethical, and fiscal decisions that council members face; these decisions are in part made based upon not just intellectual capability and enthusiasm, but also on instincts garnered through experience.

No amount of youth and enthusiasm can ever make up for a total lack of experience. Now that experience doesn't have to come in the 20+ years blocks; young Mr Miller can go to school, get a degree and get just a few years of working experience behind him and I'll support him. However, at his current age...

...he doesn't know what it's like to make a property tax payment
...he doesn't know what it's like when you have to decide whether or not to live in Scranton (a decision I made in 1989...higher wage taxes vs. lower property taxes; professional services such as police/fire vs the alternatives, etc.)
...is he well suited to emotionally for the job? I mean has he even had one serious relationship in his life? The ability to commit to another person says a lot about someone
...he doesn't know what it's like to balance a home budget, let alone a city budget?

...and I could go on. It's just that age 19, he's got a lot of life learning yet in front of him. I wish him all the best with that, but I just don't think that the Scranton City Council should be a best-bed for that learning.

-- Edited by Agamemnon at 07:13, 2008-09-15

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::: ...he doesn't know what it's like when you have to decide whether or not to live in Scranton ... :::

He is a child and doesn't know the first thing about deciding whether or not to live outside the shirt pocket of Bob Bolus. That connection in and of itself is enough for me to look at another candidate.

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I will be casting a vote for young Mr. Miller. I believe that it's time to elect someone young with fresh ideas. How many times are we going to elect the same seasoned corrupt politicians in this city. Where has it gotten us? Mr. Miller has shown strong leadership skills regardless of age. You all must understand that his age does not mean he can't be a strong leader and make tough decisions. Our current elected officials can't even make good decesions. Wake up people! Stop being sucked into the seasoned politician trance. Give this kid a chance. I will be sending $25 to Mr. Miller, so he can use the money to get elected and help all of us, if I gave $25 to any other teen they would use it for drugs. Take a look at the picture. You are all to quick to judge.

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"...if I gave $25 to any other teen they would use it for drugs."


With all due respect, that statement is insulting.

I have three teenage daugthers, all are honors students, none are on drugs. Futhermore, I'm sure that other posters here know of teenagers who aren't on drugs either. Simply because my teenage girls don't parade in front on City Council doesn't mean that they are any less honest, respectful, intelligent or worthy of trust than young Mr Miller.

"...You are all to quick to judge."

Speaking of judging, just what do you call it when you imply that every teenager in Scranton other than young Mr Miller is on drugs?



-- Edited by Agamemnon at 18:09, 2008-09-15

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I will be casting a vote for young Mr. Miller. I believe that it's time to elect someone young with fresh ideas. How many times are we going to elect the same seasoned corrupt politicians in this city. (electing someone with fresh ideas does not necessarily mean that someone is young Mr. Miller)Where has it gotten us? Mr. Miller has shown strong leadership skills regardless of age. You all must understand that his age does not mean he can't be a strong leader and make tough decisions. (In some respects you are right ... but do you remember the Handicap Swingset ... the Mayor would not allow it to be placed where Mr. Miller wanted it and well ... then he didn't want to carry out the project ... wanted to give back the money to the people who donated it and let this project die ... to me that says he is still very immature and needs a little more life experience before he takes a seat on the Dias ... Does anyone else remember this issue of the Handicap Swingset at Nay Aug???)Our current elected officials can't even make good decesions. Wake up people! (I am wide awake when it comes to this particular issue ... I am not saying that I will never vote for him ... I just want a little more life experience in him beforehand ... I just want him to have a little bit of a thicker skin so that when the vile things begin to flow from across the hall about him he can handle it ... ) Stop being sucked into the seasoned politician trance. (Again I don't necessarily want some seasoned politician ... but I cannot just give a vote to someone who is so underqualified at the moment.) Give this kid a chance. I will be sending $25 to Mr. Miller, so he can use the money to get elected and help all of us, if I gave $25 to any other teen they would use it for drugs. (My my ... I know plenty of teens who are not on drugs ... If I gave my teenage nephew $25 he would more than likely buy a cooking utensil as he is studying to be a chef ... my other nephew would buy music ... my neices would put it in the bank to help pay for college ... so how about that ... I don't think that Doug Miller is the only "good kid" in thecity of Scranton)Take a look at the picture. You are all to quick to judge. (and to your last comment in this post I only have this to say "Hello Pot ... This is Kettle!)


I am so glad that you believe so strongly in Mr. Miller and his ability to lead this city ... I however think that one day you may be right ... but at this moment in time ... he in my humble opinion is not ready. I do however wish him luck ... it's a dirty game that even the strongest of adults have a problem handling ... running a clean campaign that is ... I hope that he comes out of it the same caring peron that he goes into it as ....



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At this stage of the game, the only thing the protagonists from across the hall can bitch about regarding young Mr. Miller is whether he did or didn't give Suzie a hickey under the bleachers at the football game.

Miller needs to develop a thicker skin, some actual 'life' experience and a knowledge of city business which includes the thoughts of someone other than BoB Bolus. Bolus may have his heart in the right place, but he's too hot-headed and quick to react to nonsense. If, on the odd chance, Miller did win his first election, evans would chew him up and spit him out for the vultures to feast upon.

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My opinion is Doug should focus on his college education. 25% of all college Freshmen drop out during or shortly after their first year. Adjusting to college level academics is difficult enough alone, running a campaign will take away from his focus. Best advice is for Doug to get his degree now so he can have something to fall back on in case politics doesn't work out for him.



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I think the bottom line here is that I am not going to trust my hard earned tax dollars to a kid who is just out of high school and has not yet had to work for a living. That's a lot of responsibility for someone that never lived outside of his parents' house....

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Also, is it me, or is there something a little "not right" about an 18 year old kid having a campaign party at a bar?

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You are right Bill ... I wasn't even thinking about that ... I guess he should be holding his rallies at Keyser Valley Community Center or the Tripps Park Community Center ... anywhere other than at a bar ... That is a very good point you make!

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Where would you like him to have the party Chuckie Cheese? You guys are making a big deal out of nothing. confused

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Scranton junior council fading away

BY JEREMY G. BURTON
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Published: Monday, September 22, 2008
Updated: Monday, September 22, 2008 6:25 AM EDT
It doesnt appear Scranton City Council will be reviving its junior council program anytime soon not after watching it disintegrate last year and become as politically charged as the real thing.

The program was never officially disbanded, but its last two members have since graduated, and there are no new recruits to fill the void. With school back in session, council hasnt advertised the program, and students havent been knocking on the door to City Hall.

Started in 2006, junior council often weathered harsh derision from regular speakers and critics when council meetings were at their most tumultuous. Some parents forbade their kids from participating.

As I watched many members of the junior council withdraw, it saddened me, Councilwoman Janet Evans said. But on the other hand, as a parent, I dont know that I would want to subject my child to some of what occurs at city council.

Mrs. Evans said the program should have been about governance, not politics. Junior council devolved from its original intent, council President Bob McGoff said.

Rather than seeing them as students that were involved in community action, they were viewed as political figures, Mr. McGoff said.

Toward the end, much of the ire was aimed at Doug Miller, the junior council president and one of its last members. Mr. Miller said he blames the lack of decorum for scaring students away and jeopardizing a worthwhile program.

Now a freshman at Lackawanna College who plans to run for a council seat himself in 2009, Mr. Miller said he hopes the junior program isnt shut down entirely. It never felt like junior members had the full support of their adult counterparts, he said.

The program does have merit, Mr. McGoff said. Its participants got a hands-on City Hall experience, and they led fundraisers and community service projects.

But if it is revived, it would need some changes to mitigate the glare of weekly meetings, perhaps pairing each junior member with a senior member more like an internship, Mr. McGoff said.

Councilwoman Judy Gatelli said if students approached her about getting involved again, she would lend a hand. Mrs. Gatelli, who helped promote the program when it began, said the kids did a great job, but she doesnt know what could be done differently.

Its politics in Scranton, Mr. Miller said. Itll never change.

Contact the writer: jburton@timesshamrock.com


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Where would you like him to have the party Chuckie Cheese? You guys are making a big deal out of nothing. confused


Sweetheart.... a word of advise...if you intend to be a surrogate for Mr. Miller do not make the mistake of being hostile to people or making silly comments on his behalf or in his place.
So far you have
1. HOSTILE STATEMENT
Implied that all teenagers (with exception of Mr. Miller), if given $25 would buy drugs with them. I will be sending $25 to Mr. Miller, so he can use the money to get elected and help all of us, if I gave $25 to any other teen they would use it for drugs.That was quite a statement in my humble opinion the kind that can permanently offend people. Peramently offended people dont generally vote for the person who offended them.

2. SILLY STATEMENT
Suggested that the only two places available to have a party are a bar or a childrens play arena, Where would you like him to have the party Chuckie Cheese?How about neither a bar nor Chucky Cheese? How about a hall or neighborhood center as an alternative?? Did anything like that run past your mind at all or where you just too busy jumping down our throats because we did not immediately endorse your candidate?

-- Edited by IHavehadenoughofhaters at 16:28, 2008-09-23

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Please let us know the point that goes along with the article that you posted ... I know that on DD they post article after article without ever making a comment ... however if you are going to post an article on this board we like to know why it is you feel this ties in with the thread ... I personally do not think that this particular article would be one that I would have choosen to help further enhance the political career of Mr. Miller.

example:

:::::Toward the end, much of the ire was aimed at Doug Miller, the junior council president and one of its last members. Mr. Miller said he blames the lack of decorum for scaring students away and jeopardizing a worthwhile program.:::::


Now I did not and still do not condone the "ire" that was aimed at Mr. Miller ... and have defended him on this board countless times ... stating that although he is a teenager ... in my eyes he is still a child and that I did not think that it was right to personally attack him. I have said it before and I will say it again ... I will not be attending his rally ... he in my opinion is not ready to sit on that dias ... he clearly has demonstrated that he does not yet have the fortitude to withstand the personal attacks that the Doomers and the DD'ers will throw his way ... and as an elected official ... he cannot get his Mommy to speak out in his defense ... that will only give them more ammo to use against him.

I do believe that he will make a fine candidate one day ... but that day has not yet arrived. You can be as angry as you want to be because we are not endorsing your candidate ... that's your right ... but ... and I am only speaking for myself ... there is not one thing that you can say to me that will change my mind on this one ...

As for the Chuckie Cheese Comment ... there are plenty of places that a rally could be held ... that are not in Pubs ... I think that Mr. Miller should look for these places and seriously consider them. His image will be very important if he wants to have a shot at winning!


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I wouldn't vote for ANYONE young Mr Miller's age for public office. It's nothing personal against him. He seems like a well-composed, bright young man with a great future ahead of him. But the job of being a city council person, in my opinion, requires experience in things like budgeting, finance, dealing with personnel issues, dealing with collective bargaining agreements, etc. It's impossibe for young Mr Miller to have that kind of experience:

...He's never paid property taxes
...Does he even have a checking account?
...Has he ever balanced a family budget?
...Has he ever read a Collective Bargaining Agreement?
...What does he know about municipal pension plans? Does he even know what a 457 plan is?
...How many personnel issues has he delt with in his life?

Again it's not personal, but it is serious. Our city isn't in the greatest of shape, and I'm not sure that having someone with zero real-world experience on city council is the right idea.

I will not attend young Mr Miller's rally and I will not vote for him.


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::: ... and I'm not sure that having someone with zero real-world experience on city council is the right idea. :::

I would like to change the subject for a second here and replace the words "city council" with the words "President of the United States", in relation to Barack Obama and John McCain. Nuff said. We now will return to your regularly scheduled program ...

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"I would like to change the subject for a second here and replace the words "city council" with the words "President of the United States", in relation to Barack Obama and John McCain. Nuff said. We now will return to your regularly scheduled program ..."


Or maybe replace the words "city council" with the words "Heartbeat away from the Presidency" in relation to Sarah Palin and Joe Biden.

Sorry Thursday...I just couldn't resist.

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I think all of you should give Mr. Miller a chance to sink or swim on his own. Whether or not he is capable of being a legitimate candidate for political office at his age will be very evident in a short period of time.

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Glenn Cashuric wrote:

I think all of you should give Mr. Miller a chance to sink or swim on his own. Whether or not he is capable of being a legitimate candidate for political office at his age will be very evident in a short period of time.

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No.

I think the point here is that we are questioning why young Mr Miller should even be in this contest. Sure, he can legally run for the office, provided that he gets the required number of signatures I guess, and by virtue of the fact that he is legally an adult. I can also legally run for President: I'm old enough (born in the same year as Sarah Palin) and I'm a US born citizen, but that doesn't make me qualified to be a president. Now if I did run for President, would someone, say Thursday, be within her rights to say "Agamemnon doesn't have the basic qualifications to even be considered for the office of President"? Sure she would be. Why? Becasue anyone who knows me, even remotely, could reasonably say that I'm not qualified for the office. It's simply not that much of a stretch. So to it is with young Mr Miller.

For the record, I think young Mr Miller seems to be a fine young man. I think he would make a fine candidate for elected office...in a few years.

Bottom Line: This is no different than the hiring process for an employer...what we are saying is "we've seen Mr Miller's resume and he doesn't meet our minimum qualifactions, so we will not be inviting him in for an interview".




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I certainly did not mean to insult anyone of this board. If you took offense to my statements I appologize. I am not here to endorse any candidate however, my first amendment rights allow me to support a candidate(s). I truley believe you have not given Young Mr. Miller a fair chance. You have not even heard his platform or any comments from him. What resume have you seen? Doesn't meet your qualifications? Again, respectfully you are too quick to judge. Thank you for your time.

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Appreciate your understanding in this...as the father of three teenagers (well one is 20), I do get offended by comments that lump all of today's 12-20 set into one boat. I am exceedingly proud of my girls. The insinuation that they, unlike Doug Miller, would use $25 to buy drugs IS offensive. That said, no one here would ever deny your right to an opinion. Unlike DD, no one gets banned here for simply speaking an unpopular thought.

As for young Mr Miller, in effect we have seen his resume. How is that possible? It's possible because of his age. Here's a sketch of that resume:

- He just graduated from High School
- He doesn't yet have any higher education past high school
- He's never held a full-time job (other than maybe a job at full time hours over the summer)
- He's never paid property tax
- He's never paid the garbage fee
- He's never had to make a conscious decision as to whether or not to live in Scranton (a decision I made in 1988, when I returned to the area after almost a decade away)
- He's probably never had a checking account...and if he has, he's not had it for more than a few years
- He has no investment experience, save for maybe a bank savings account
- He's never had to balance a household budget, let alone a city budget
- He's never had to deal with personnel matters
- He's never had to negotiate with employees
- He knows virtually nothing about employee benefits or their costs

...I could go on, but I think you get the picture. I don' question that he probably does have a platform with some good ideas in it...but I do question his ability to actually carry that platform out.

Again, I want to say that I like Mr Miller. He's respectful, intelligent and clearly ambitious. These are all qualities, when coupled with one missing ingredient...EXPERIENCE...will serve him well IN THE FUTURE.

Lastly, I want to point out that each regular poster on this board rigorously defended Mr Miller when he was getting bashed by the cretins at DD, so this is definitely not personal.

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I saw Mr. Miller's ad in this mornings paper. I wish him luck in his campaign. I look forward to hearing what he has to say this evening.

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Nice post Joey ... way to threaten people ... and I know you don't agree with me on this one ... But hell Doug Miller is just a kid and what the hell did he ever do to you that makes you want to seek him out and slap him????

Now I do not intend to vote for young Mr. Miller ... but hell I would say he has the right to run ... as long as he's old enough to vote he can be on that ballot!

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Looks like Barb Hughes does most of the grunt work there. Lots of pix of cronies. Morabito is probably the most published author of Letters to the Editors in the Times.He chimes in often with sandbox grade quips on local politics.

The letter to the editor was written by Pat Rogan, the Pamper Generation's wanna be council repthat also just indoctrinated Doug Miller as its next child offering for city council.

Pat and Doug, still waiting for their first electric bill in their own name and they want torepresent the people. I'd like someone give me one good reason I don't seek them out at this very moment and slap the sh!t out of the two of them for impersonating people of the working class.


I would like to know why it's ok for Joey to impersonate a human being ... but he does not want these two to impersonate the working class???

Joe you are not doing a very good job impersonating a human ...

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I want everyone to stop and think about one thing ... Joe Pilchesky is not a lawyer ... he's just a guy playing a lawyer on the internet.  Please don't trust your legal needs to this man.
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