I just heard and read what the famous Chief of Police in Scranton did. Can anyone tell me how Mayor Doherty (who I am a continued supporter) can possibly justify keeping this man as Chief of Police ?
I hope that after he listens to all his family, who I am sure will be demanding Elliott's dismissal, he realizes he needs to do this and do it fast, in order toprotect the integrity of the entire Scranton Police Department, and the reputations of the insulted and disrespected Police Women involved.
Mayor, this was not your fault, don't make this incident become a burden in your re-election. Make your actions show that you will not tolorate any member of your administration disrespecting any citizen of the City. (Employee or not).
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The chief's punishemnt fits the crime. This is a political jab orchistrated byt he unions. There is name calling going on all the time, this time Elliott was dumb enough to cross the line and he is paying for it. Political posturing at its best.
I'll give Chief Elliot the benefit of the doubt that he didn't intend to imply that the officers are in fact "whores", but regardless he should have known better. This is 2008, not 1958.
Should he be fired? Well, my opinion is this: if this absolutely is the first time to date this kind of thing has happened, then I say it's probably ok. Everyone can make a mistake...even an incredibly stupid mistake like this. However, if this happened before...if he has previously exercised similarly bad judgement...then he should be fired immediately. As a leader, he gets the higher pay but along with that comes a higher standard of conduct.
As for this being part of the larger management-union strife, I say that's irrelevent. Dave Elliot simply should know better...period. The words came out of his...and only his...mouth.
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Free Speech does't require a multi-paragrah disclaimer Mr. Pilchesky.
I think that the justification may be this ... Chief Elliot ... although he did as Ag points out use poor judgement by making the statement he has made ... did not call them "Whores" ... what he did was use a very politically incorrect statement referring to the overtime that these women worked. "Overtime Whores" meaning that they love to work overtime ... should he have not said that ... you bet he should have chosen his words better ... but did he mean that they were whores ... not at all ... he is human ... his punishment is ... in my opinion very fitting ... and should he do this again ... well then ... I say fire him ... but not for the first offense. Just my opinion.
I being a woman can tell you ... if someone called me a whore ... I would be offended ... but if someone called me an overtime whore ... well I don't think I would take that any other way than the way it was meant ... someone who loves to work overtime ... and possibly someone who does not like to share the overtime with my co workers ... I think that's all he meant ... in this day and age we have to be so careful of what we say ... maybe next time Chief Elliot will think before he lets those words spill out of his mouth!
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DID CHEF ELLIOT REALLY SAY THAT? If so how will Ray protect him? Could it be that Chef Idiot really stepped in it this time? Two female officers are said to be fuming after having been referred to by him a "W-H-O-R-E=S until he quickly recanted that statement and said he meant OVERTIME W-H-O-R-E-S. There were witnesses but the two have been told they better not say a word. Ray is prepping the boy idiot for spin control and the LIEnetts have already been told not to write about it. Aint life grand at the Doobie Lodge? GO DAVEY!! HEEE HAWWW
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Breaking news on DD .... but nowalmost amonth later this is the post!
Well, Judy Gatelli, Sherri Fannuci and Bob McGoff are political whores, so perhaps Elliot is right that two employees are overtime whores.
Gatelli is the dirtiest of dirty political whore: from the DA's office, to SSA, to Connors Aministration, to SSD as a nurse, to Scranton City Council. That political whore has been everywhere. (And she's not even Irish!)
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Now almost a month later he changes his tune ... hmmmmmm.................
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Elliot should be fired. What's good for Mayo should be good for Elliot.
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Guess Anti is a follower and not a leader ... a person who is not a free thinker and not capable of having an opinion of his own ... and they call us sheep! I think not!
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If Dave Elliott made the same comment directed toward two of his best male officers, the three of them would have had a chuckle, a pat on the back and two guys would have had a few extra overtime bucks in their paychecks the following week.
Dave Elliott or ANY boss should know better than to scratch his balls, use vulgar language or fart in the presence of a woman. We're a fickle bunch and it depends on which way the wind blows on any given day to explain how we will react to any situation.
Personally, I think Dave picked the wrong two women (or wrong day, for that matter) to make a rude comment. These two women could have just given him a dirty look, called HIM an equally rude name and gotten on with their day - but no, they had to make a stink about it. They had to push some buttons. If it was really such a big deal, they would have made it an issue right then and there, instead of talking about it with their girlfriends over apple-tinis. All they've done is make it fodder for that numb nuts across the hall.
My advise to these two dames ... Pull on your big-girl panties and get back to work and stop worrying about how you can get your names on the internet.
I think his punishment is appropriate. Probably the harshest punishment short of losing a job inflicted on any employee of the City of Scranton in recent memory. The sensitivity training and public apology was a good move too.
All of that said; anyone ever hang out with cops? Anyone ever listen to the way cops talk to each other?
"Overtime whores" is bush league stuff compared to what they normally say to one another. A quick and easy win for the union, but give me a break. If this thing turns into a lawsuit its a travesty of justice. If that happens and I were Elliott's lawyer I'd call every cop in the city to the stand and ask him or her if they ever used any of the words on a long and degrading list - either at one another or toward the public - especially the "low life's."
The mayor has made his decision, and that will stand," Mr. Hayes said.
That is the end for Chris...Can't wait to see him take a tumble. Truly disgraceful from the top cop and it reflects f this mayor (who is a jackas* anyway)
(I am sorry if you are offended by me taking out part of your post but we do not post rumors here at PD)
Caught the news this morning and now they want him fired??? For a comment any one of us would have either laughed at, completely ignored or even agreed with.
He got his slap on the wrist. The mayor gave him a good talking to. He's humiliated, ok, I get it. Cripes, if this situation were so frigging earth-shattering, THE COMPLAINT WOULD HAVE BEEN MADE IMMEDIATELY.
Hell, I've called janet evans a money-grubbing political whore and she and I still sit next to each other in church.
The problem with the Mayor replacing Elliott, is that no one wants the job. Elliott had it removed from the bargaining unit and if someone takes it,, they will lose all their protection when and if the administration changes.
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I want everyone to stop and think about one thing ... Joe Pilchesky is not a lawyer ... he's just a guy playing a lawyer on the internet. Please don't trust your legal needs to this man.