Pics and pans by Edith - she won't be in the hooscow yet, will she?

-- Edited by His Girl Thursday at 21:55, 2008-06-20

I say 15 or 16.

GC

Will Pilchesky be appearing with "the Bottom Feeders"? If he doesn't and I were marching the line, I'd be pissed.

Free Speech does't require a multi-paragrah disclaimer Mr. Pilchesky.

A few observations.

No appearance by Joe Pilchesky. Too busy suing people for the good of humanity. You understand.

Ten people tops. Most of them will be current Channel 61 employees.

Jim Stuckert, Fay Franus, and perhaps a quick visit from Cruella DeVille.

Funny though. In true modern day low IQ form the protesters show up to complain about TV reruns. Where were they when their taxes went up, job cuts were threatened, service cuts were suggested? No where to be found. Just don't screw with their TV and all is well.

::: ... and people sit around with their friends and come up with things ... "Wouldn't it be funny if Les Spindler asked _____________ (insert topic) this at the council meeting ... :::

I can see it now -- Spindler gets up and as he takes the glasses on and off say something to the effect - "My friends Dick Hertz and Seymour Hynie approached me at the mall the other day ..."

I gotta say, I'm mildly impressed. There were about 10-15 people marching around when I passed by around 9:15. There was at least one LOaD t-shirt wearing protester, but I didn't catch who all specifically was there. Sam stood out, he was there. Joe may have been there--I did see some bald dude leaning against the wall that may or may not have been him, but not marching, just sort of "orchestrating". There appeared to be a reporter and a TV camera, but that could have been Hubbard and his video recorder (VHS). I did not see any TV trucks, so CNN or Inside Edition must not have arrived at that point.

Don't you need a permit to assemble like that? I'm genuinely curious, I don't know the answer. I wonder if they had one...

I really didn't think they'd draw more than 6. Not that 12 is terribly impressive, but it exceeded my expectations. Just think, if it were a remotely important issue, he might have been able to rally 20 people. Who knows.

15 is "about 20" in my book. I drove by one time at 9:15, and the head count may have been higher prior to that point or subsequent to it. The paper said "about a dozen" and DD said "aboot 25" so I think my estimate is pretty middle of the road and closer to accurate. I did not pull over and count, though. I have a job.

Poll 100 people in the city about the most important issue facing Scranton, and if you get three (sane) people to say "the management of Channels 61 and 62", I'll paint "Cashuric for Governor" in my back window and drive around like that for a month. It's really a non-issue, but good for some quick press, although only WYOU and WILK bothered to cover it. That in itself should speak volumes about its imortance. They barely got local press to cover it. They had to go to WILK, home of Michael Savage, Steve Corbett, Bill O'Reilley, and Rush Limbaugh. Two dozen people getting obsessively worked up over does not offset the tens of thousands of others who don't give a crap.

Any action taken by this administration that makes government (a) less transparent, (b) less accessible to the people, and (c) less open to criticism and analysis is a definite step in the wrong direction. Say what you want about the council speakers, but they have a right to be there. They should be heard by as many people as possible and the responses given by the elected officials should be equally available.

The decisions of this mayor and council affect your ability to afford heating oil and fuel, whether or not your company will still be able to conduct business in the city, and the general public's ability to see its government in action.

I strongly disagree with your view on this one. This was a blatant attempt to censor.

GC

My point was that political decisions directly or indirectly affect every facet of our lives, most particularly on a financial level. Your "shades of grey" seem to be anything but, and any reference to "high fives by the DD folks" assumes a viewpoint that does not exist.

What the council members say (or how they say it) should have nothing to do with whether or not the meetings are made available to the general public.

GC

I'm just going to say this ... I used to attend meetings ... then came the cameras and the crazies ... I no longer attend ... and not because I can sit home and watch ... but because I don't like being surrounded by people who are disrespectful to everyone who does not agree with them ... and that's what happens down in Council Chambers ...

I did attend a meeting during election time in 2005 ... I had a reason to go and speak before council ... and let me tell you this that group of people are not welcoming at all ... when someone new shows up they automatically question who they are and what the hell are they doing there ... You hear this must be a Doobie ... this one is here to support the Mayor ... it was crazy and I know this for a fact as it happened to me ... my reason had nothing to do with supporting the Mayor ... but they treated me like crap because they assumed that's why I was there.

It is none of their business why someone new would want to address the council ... but they feel they have a right to know before someone new speaks ... it's actually quite an uncomfortable atmosphere ... and I'm sure that it deters more people than any of the LoD'ers will admit.

I wouldn't be upset if the cameras went away because as IHave has stated ... what did we do before the cameras came into chambers ... we survived it and people attended meetings and city business was conducted ... I don't think that we can say that now ... we see it on DD all of the time ... they plot and plan to go in and be disruptive at meetings ... to get Judy and Sherry all riled up ... to try and get under McGoff's skin ... yeah that's my government in action!

Great posts, Lus.

Well Stacy you know how children can sometimes be ... I guess they were counting the people walking down to Abe's Deli to pick up a bite to eat for lunch ... hell I'm surprised that they didn't count the people passing by in cars ... because rember a few of them beeped ... now Stacy it is rumored that you were there ... Was Pappa Pilchesky and his loyal wife among the people protesting????

Gutless wonder that he is ... that amazes me ... why didn't he walk the line with them ... why does he not speak his own words at a meeting ... no guts at all!

Joe's failure to walk the line is easily explainable: On some level he does believe that many of his "followers" are bottom feeders, so while me may like their adulation, he doesn't actually want to be seen with them. Honestly folks...if you had to choice between, say, cleaning out the cat litter box or walking a picket with Les Spindler and Fay Franus, which would you choose? Give the guy a break!

Joe's failure to speak at council meetings is also explainable: Others have commented that he's simply not a very good public speaker, and he wouldn't want the flock to see their leader as anything less than infallible.

What do I want to see? I want someone to take a picture of Edith taking pictures. I think it would really piss Joe (and Edith) off....how dare someone do to them what they do to others? Now that would be priceless.

Oh, lastly, Mr Cashuric...were YOU on the line? I wasn't, mainly because I think the ECTV promise (assuming it's implemented) to put the Konsil meeting on the web via steaming video actually IMPROVES access and transparency to these meetings. Just think of all the fun the Konsil Loons can have stopping the video to take detailed notes and screen captures? SnagIt downloads will triple once that's implemented.


-- Edited by Agamemnon at 07:56, 2008-06-27

Free Speech does't require a multi-paragrah disclaimer Mr. Pilchesky.