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Agamemnon


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Here is a thought.

Glenn claims that Pilchesky's site serves some useful purpose, despite the fact that we've documented here many, many, many postings there that crossed virtually every line of propriety that possibly exists. Ok, he's entitled to his opinion.

Well then if there is a need for a site to expose corruption, then I'm challenging Glenn to work with others (including posters from this site, if interested) to create a message board with a very simple mission:

1. Discuss the political/fiscal/governmental issues facing the Scrnaton area
2. Do #1 by sticking to the issues and not allowing racist comments, deeply personal attacks or the mentioning of children/grandchildren/family members of elected officials in threads

I will gladly help in any way I can.

Belly up Glenn.

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I would be more than willing to do so...if you then merge this board into the new one and I eventually find out (within limits) who all of you are...subject to attorney-client privilege, of course.

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as long as it falls under attorney client privilege and you double pinky swear not to tell :) works for me. However if you squeal and Fay shows up on my doorstep.... we will have words Sir :))

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Hmmm...that might be worth a written warning and sanctions.

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Agamemnon


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Well you already know who I am, so that's covered. I'm more than willing to provide additional contact information if required. Just message/email me.

Lus gets a tremendous say in this, as the creator of this board.

Lastly, I'd want the detailed posting policy/rules of any such board to be agreed upon in advance.

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I'd request a minimum of two people, but less than seven, people moderating the site, and an enforceable privacy policy.

"Lastly, I'd want the detailed posting policy/rules of any such board to be agreed upon in advance"This, too, would have to be unbiasedly and consistently enforced, regardless of the subject of the post.

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Agamemnon wrote:

Well you already know who I am, so that's covered. I'm more than willing to provide additional contact information if required. Just message/email me.

Lus gets a tremendous say in this, as the creator of this board.

Lastly, I'd want the detailed posting policy/rules of any such board to be agreed upon in advance.


I do not understand why you would give me "tremendous say" in the new board simply because I created this one ...


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I'd request a minimum of two people, but less than seven, people moderating the site, and an enforceable privacy policy.

"Lastly, I'd want the detailed posting policy/rules of any such board to be agreed upon in advance"This, too, would have to be unbiasedly and consistently enforced, regardless of the subject of the post.

I didn't realize that having this many moderators was something that you were opposed to Paul. I wanted to have more than myself and definetly more than two people making the decisions as to what was right or what was wrong for this site.


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I would be more than willing to do so...if you then merge this board into the new one and I eventually find out (within limits) who all of you are...subject to attorney-client privilege, of course.

GC


Glenn are you asking us to tell you who we are?

I think that you guys putting up a new board is a great idea .... and maybe you will get some from across the hall to participate ... and if it sticks to the rules ... it would be a great service ... imagine a political forum that does not allow racisim ... personal attakcs ... it would be great ... imagine people brainstorming to try and help solve the problems of city and county government ....

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Lus, I will help you understand: Loyalty, that's why.

You created this place...you allow us to post here...you set THE STANDARD for how a message board should be run, with intelligence, logic and compassion. This has become more than just a place to tell Pilchesky that he is full of crap; it's become a place where I can stop in, say hello, and engage in a (time delayed) conversation with some truly great people. We don't always agree, but that's part of the magic here...we don't have to because in this environment that you created, that's not required.

If you think that a new board is a good idea but you would prefer to keep this one up, then I vote with you. Why? Because internet message boards are a dime a dozen...people are what matters. As such, I would never do anything to change this board without your agreement. I owe you that much.

-- Edited by Agamemnon at 08:46, 2008-04-13

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I think that if the new one is started then this one must shut down ... that way nobody can accuse anyone one of being hypocritical ... post one way on one board and then come here and maybe call a name or two (nothing like they do across the hall ... but we have called a name or two here) I don't think that would be a good idea do you?

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Well, I think what Joe Pilchesky has done as a public person...someone who engages in political activity in the public arena...should be open to discussion and debate in any message board about Scranton. In that respect he is open to criticism just like, say, Austin Burke is as the head of the CofC.

Put another way, Pilchesky's actions as they lower the level of public debate in Scranton should be open to discussion on any message board that discusses the Scranton area. Should name calling be allowed? No...but that means I would not refer to Joanne as "Edith", but I should be able to call Joe a bully, because that is a reasonable descripitive of someone who engages in bullying tactics.


-- Edited by Agamemnon at 09:31, 2008-04-13

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Ok I get what you are saying ... but should you merge these two boards ... how would you handle the posts that are right now in existance calling Fay "Foam at the Mouth" and Joanne "Edith" ... would you close down these threads and just have them in an archive?

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Would you make it a new area of this existing board or would you link a new board to this one ... how would you do this?

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Lus....

Good questions we should all discuss and debate.

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What would be the name of this new board?

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Now we're talking"!

Another site to discuss issues valuable to all of us without wasting our time and energy on one guy.

I'm in if you'll have me!

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A new board would be fine, but why get rid of this one? It serves a purpose, and as long as Area 51 still exists there should be a place to counter the lunacy with facts, or even comedy when necessary.

GC is joking about attorney client privilege, right? Whose attorney would he actually be?

I'm anonymous for a few reasons. I don't trust most people and I think someone from area 51 would try to kill me or a member of my family if I were not anonymous.

Lus and the original crew here I trust. No offense GC, I don't know you so I don't trust you. Tell you what though, if I ever do meet you I'll look for reasons to believe in you. You seem like an OK guy, despite never taking down those elections signs.

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sharilewis wrote:

Now we're talking"!

Another site to discuss issues valuable to all of us without wasting our time and energy on one guy.

I'm in if you'll have me!


One guy, you mean like Chris Doherty?



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This is what's great about this site: all of this discussion is above-board, with no "editing for clarity", no banning because someone wrote something a demigod disagreed with. Here we can have an open process where all of us can lay out our opinions, even for the many readers from DD to view. Hell, even Shari gets a say.

I've been open to the merging idea, but after thinking about this over the weekend, I do like the notion that a site exists to "call out" in a very public way the lunacy that exists at DD. Some may think that's a waste of time, but I don't. All I have to do is read the archive here...whether it's Pilchesky's blaming the Mayor for suicide (at Christmas time, no less), Anti's Irish/Jewish/Italian bashing, or Milo's incoherent rumors...and I am reminded that evil flourishes in part because good turns a blind eye.

One thing is troubling me though: If I understand the points made by some, they believe that there is more or less a moral equivalent between Anti being called a "filthy racist pig" at PD and, for example, the sexual inuendo directed towards Sherry Nealon-Fanucci at DD. As a result, posters on a a merged board would potentially have to avoid that kind of descriptive for Anti, but yet it would be business at usual at DD. How would that serve the greater good?

As for the privacy argument, I understand Lus and Art's concerns. To an extent I share them, although I will tell just about (note the choice of words) anyone who I really am if there is a valid reason to know. That's a personal choice on my part.

-- Edited by Agamemnon at 17:34, 2008-04-14

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I'll be more direct.

I have never asked anyone to reveal their ID to me, and have freaked out ( to a mild degree) when I thought someone was trying to figure out who I was. (Paul can verify that)

I'm not anonymous because I'm gutless; I'm anonymous because I have something to lose if people fueled by hate and ignorance pursue me.

I have been, and will always be, true to the members of this forum. They have never asked me to identify myself, and every time I pushed their limits I deferred to their judgment and sense of fair play.

Lus can attest to that. Paul can attest to that. Girl and Ag can attest to that. Anyone I ever PM'd can attest to that. Paul is closer to knowing who I am than anyone. Just ask him - he knows why I hide. Revealing myself limits the info I can provide.

My posts stand as is. My PM's are pure and honorable. My vote, my opinion, my allegiance is to Lus.

GC has to earn that. He may, thats yet to be seen. He may not want to. Thats fair enough in my book.


PS: I saw the movie "300" yesterday and now realize where Joe's latest avatar came from. Wow, what an ego. The cartoon guy typing at the computer was much more accurate and appropriate. Spartan my a$$. More like that guy with the flippers and the nipple rings. Pfft.


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Seriously, Art. I've said it to you a million times. Thousands of people have third nipples. It's really nothing to be embarassed about. Granted, very few of those thousands of extra nipples are on people's foreheads, but I bet in a sick twisted way, it's one of the things that your wife initially found attractive about you.

Damn. Sorry dude. I meant to post this in "info for moderators", but I already hit "post."

-- Edited by Paul at 22:17, 2008-04-14

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I myself will tell any one of the Moderators who I am ... as I like Art trust them ... I trust them to make decisions for PD ... and I trust them with my identity ... I don't ask who anyone is ... in the very beginning I asked Art about his identity as I thought that I might know him ... he did not tell me ... and I did not ever ask again ... I will not tell GC who I am ... as he is not my attorney and therefore there is no obligation on his part to keep my secrete.

I do not want the crazies knocking on my door ... I do not want Les Spindler and any of the other goons harassing me when I am in line at the store ... and trust me I see Les at the store more often than I ever wanted to. I don't need his snide remarks in the checkout line at Redners.

Sorry Girl ... I am usually right behind him when we are in there at the same time ... don't be jealous as I did not mean to be so close to the one you fantasize about!



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" PS: I saw the movie "300" yesterday and now realize where Joe's latest avatar came from. Wow, what an ego. The cartoon guy typing at the computer was much more accurate and appropriate. Spartan my a$$. More like that guy with the flippers and the nipple rings. Pfft."


I saw "300" when it came out at Cinemark, and it's actually an interesting fit to Pilchesky in some ways...

...the movie (like DD) had a scant few facts right, but it was mostly just fantasy bull$hit*
...much of the movie was created using CGI (Computer Generated Imagery)...in other words it was composed of fancy cartoons. Sounds like a description of Milo.
...the movie was actually based on a comic book series, which matches well the level of discourse at DD.

300.jpg
(More Joe's speed)

(*) Sorry Granma, but the Persian King Xerxes really wasn't 10 feet tall




-- Edited by Agamemnon at 07:18, 2008-04-15

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I wonder if Joe uses the old "attorney-client privilege" schpiel when he gets info from his merry band of snitches.

Jees Art - you better put a disclaimer up if you're gonna be putting the picture of nipple clamps in my head at eight in the morning. ... oh wait ... you said 'RINGS'

never mind

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Agamemnon wrote:

sharilewis wrote:

Now we're talking"!

Another site to discuss issues valuable to all of us without wasting our time and energy on one guy.

I'm in if you'll have me!


One guy, you mean like Chris Doherty?


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Folks, before the "attorney-client privilege" thing goes any further...

I was kidding.

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Glenn Cashuric wrote:

Folks, before the "attorney-client privilege" thing goes any further...

I was kidding.

GC


You weren't kidding about the double pinky swear right??....Glen..right??



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Glenn Cashuric wrote:

Folks, before the "attorney-client privilege" thing goes any further...

I was kidding.

GC


Glenn,

I think you're being a smart-a$$ed prick. Now mind you in the grand scheme of Scranton-area internet message boards, that's not a horrible thing. In fact, when compared to, say, racist pricks (Anti), whinny pricks (Milo), nasally pricks (Spindler) or just plain maniacal pricks (Pilchesky), you're technically at the head of the class.

Congratulations!



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C'mon, let's leave Les and his junk out of this :::sigh::: he's in a whole "nother" class by himself

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