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I think I said in another thread that Ken McD was most likely grossly incompetent at best, criminally negligent at worst. That's not exactly a free pass. Others have made similar comments.

What do you want here Balko, a requirement that every post about the STO end with the phrase ".....but Ken McD is worse"? No one here is defending the man; what we are saying in this thread is that using personal information from the STO to further an agenda is also wrong. Maybe not to the same degree as other issues in the STO, but still wrong.


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Terribly sorry, Agamemnon, I searched the topics of this message board but I must have missed the "Ken McDowell misuses Single Tax Office funds," or any othersimilarly named topic. Mea Culpa, I should have researchedevery postin the PDlibraryto determine if criticism of McDowell appeared elsewhere before I added my comment.

In a thread about Jim Williams and his involvement with acquiring documents from the Single Tax Office, I opined about the actual document content.
I hadn't realized relevantcommentswere soforum title specific.

Apologies, truly; I just newbie learning which way the wind blows.....

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What Ken McDowell Did is WRONG ... I have to agree with that ... I'm sure that there is going to be a harsh punishment for him concerning this matter. I am going to leave that up to the FBI and more than likely the Atty. Generals office ... I have no doubt in my mind that there will be a full investigation followed by a no doubt lengthy trial ... and yes I'm going to say this ... sadly jail time or house arrest seems to be a trend for these types of offense these days ... I would say his political career is just about over...

I think the reason that we are not really commenting on this is this ... the investigation and outcome are pretty much handwritting on the wall ... Kenny did wrong it's plain and it's simple ... nothing anyone says about it will make it more or less wrong ... now we wait for the investigation to be completed and if we don't like the outcome ... then we more than likely will have quite a bit to say about it. But I will not sit here and speculate about the FBI being connected ... and assume that they will not do their job ... sorry aint gonna happen.

I will however sit here and wonder if the clerk who gave Jim Williams personal information on private citizens ... which included SS #'s of private citizens will also be in trouble ... and if Mr. Williams who distributed the information to I suspect more than City Council Members (from some of Joe Pilchesky's posts I would say that he is also in possession of this information no doubt handed to him by none other than Jim Williams ... ) I find it disturbing that this information was given out ... sorry but that's the way I feel.

Now if you are looking for posts that will slam Kenny McDowell to the wall ... and pick on his family members ... say what a terrible father he is .. etc ... then you are posting in the wrong forum ... you will however find posts such as this across the hall. We are going to see what the investigation brings.

The topic put forth in this thread is: "Anyone slightly worried that Jim Williams can get access to Social Security Numbers?" It's not a topic to slam Kenny McDowell ... Feel free to start a topic to discuss Kenny McDowell ...

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I guess your search wasn't all that exhaustive, huh Balko? (extra red underline added by me)




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RE: Question RE: the $12 million.

Wait, from what I read on DD (where Nelson says the "real news" can be found) it's all Mayor Doherty's fault.

[Insert pants-wetting laugh here]

Ok, now that I have that out of my system, on to the real issue.

Yes, there will be plenty of blame to go around (the correct term is "Blamestorming"), but this whole thing smells of horribly missing or unapplied financial controls. In my opinion, as the leader of that department, McDowell should be held responsible. If the financial controls didn't exist, he should have had them created; if they did exist but weren't followed, he should noticed that and took corrective/disciplinary action.

What's gauling here is the scope. If this were a public company we would be talking about Sarbanes Oxley violations and possible jail time. Since this is the public sector, at best we will talk about incompetence. Yet another example of the government imposing rules on others that it has no intention of living up to itself.

As for Ms Evans, accountability isn't her strong-point and she has apologists coming out of the woodwork at DD, so don't look for the splatter to hit her when the $hit really does hit the fan. I do agree with you though Paul...she has just as much skin in this game as others...including (if not more so) than Mayor Doherty.

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I caught a re-run of the meeting half-way through Williams's five minutes. Since I didn't see his full five minutes, I can say his tirade at the end was almost comical. The part about the office taking him away cracked me up. It sounded like typical LOD nonsense.

When Williams arrived at the Council podium, did he say WHY he called the STO?
Did he say WHAT he asked for?
Did he specify that he called the STO for specific information on this particular individual?
Or did some pencil pusher at the STO sent this specific information to a generic request to him just for $hits and giggles?

I just don't get what prompted this mess. I've dealt with the STO numerous times and would never even think to make a request for such detailed and personal information.





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Balko ... I got your PM and I am sorry if I offended you with my post ... I did imply that you were looking to slam Kenny in this thread ... I was only trying to make the point that this thread was started because of the concern that Jim Williams has personal information on people that he has no business having ... Kenny McDowell did not give it to him but somebody in that office did ... is it as bad as the 12 million dollars ... no it is not ... but yet it is bad ... the clerk should not have given Mr. Williams this information ... SS #'s should not be given out ...

I am sorry if I implied that you think that the FBI is corrupt ... or that you may have wanted to slam on Mr. McDowells family ... You are new here and I don't know your style.

I hope that you continue to post ... it is your choice ...

We are not always going to agree here ... we all have differing opinions ... There is a thread as AG pointed out concerning the money ... you may want to post in it ... I have made it a sticky topic so you don't have to search the archives for it.

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That sure seems to be the opinion on this poster by the moderators ... Balko I did share your letter voicing your concerns with the moderators ... as I have said many times ... I do not make the decisions here alone ... I talk it over with the moderators via PM or in the Moderators Forum (a private forum) ... I am going to make no more apologies ... I am assuming you are a big boy/girl and should be able to take it ... after all you are pretty good a dishing it out.

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What's stopping Balko from opening up a thread specifically on the subject of McDowell?

I mean, besides lack of initiative?


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I'm jumping in late Balko...so here's my two cents.

The wind just blows here. Say what you will. Leave kids and wives out of it. On occasion, prove something and be moderately sane. Enjoy the breeze.

Welcome aboard.

As for McDowell...too dumb to be the mastermind behind anything. Whatever he's mixed up in was the booze talking for him. He's has some tough knocks over the years privately. If you read past posts from me you'll see that I don't toss stuff like that around lightly.

By the way, I know Kenny. Nice guy, real nice guy. He's in trouble though.

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Oh, and my prediction...Ken wasn't stealing money, he was enabling others to do it. Same thing in the long run but in the bad guy's mind a little different.

When this all plays out we'll probably see that Ken was someone's flunkie. Too bad for him. Look closely at the way the guy lives. Drinks Coor's Light, nothing too fancy on the road or in the hood. No bling, nothing flashy. He's not making a penny off of any of this, he's the guy helping others. Poor slob. At the very least you'd think if he was going to play part in this he'd put a few g's in mason jars in his back yard.

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Pawn or Evil Genius?

I'm with Art....more like Pawn.

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From WBRE Newstation Website:

D.A. Charges 3 at Scranton Single Tax Office
Reported by: David DeCosmo
Thursday, Apr 24, 2008 @02:19pm EST

SCRANTON, LACKAWANNA COUNTY- The Lackawanna County District Attorney's Office has filed charges against three individuals for releasing confidential information from Scranton's Single Tax Office.

Elizabeth Flaherty, a former worker in the office, is charged with violating the Local Taxpayer's Bill of Rights and violating the Earned Income Tax Act. Two others, Jim Williams and Kay McDonnell are charged with violating the Earned Income Tax Act. That charge is a summary offense.

The D.A. has not indicated if the charges are linked with an FBI investigation of the Single Tax Office which collects city, county, and school taxes for city residents.


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The "vast Irish Conspiracy" posts about this have already begun at DD, such as this one by that RACIST PIG Anti...

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Don't charge the grafting Irishman who have been looting this city for decades. Charge the person who blew the whistle.



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By the way, isn't one of those charged, Elizabeth Flaherty, Irish (at least by marriage)? Gee, maybe that a$$wipe Anti will identify which ICN "node" she belongs to...just a thought.

Note to Glenn C.: Kudos...you are making a valiant effort to make a rational point in a thread where you have at least one poster spouting off like a drunken skinhead at a soccer game. Hell, I don't even blame you for not pointing out how utterly asinine Anti sounds...after all, he may turn on you.

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Irish and very politically active .... 2 are Irish not one!

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Dear Ms. Vitali-Flynn,

The public trust is violated when employees don't come forward with information about wrongdoing.(But they she should have come forward to the porperathorities ... Not toKay McDonnellwho then came forward to Jim Williams ... Why didn't she come forward to Marilyn Vitalli?)And, in this town, the reaction suffered by the three who are involved here, is typical. (No it's not typical it's exactly what should have happened) Therefore, we usually don't get people brave enough to do the right thing.(problem is that theydidn't do the right thing ... God only knows who else theyshared this information with ...I have a few ideas ... but no proof so I won't say!)Whistleblowers should always be protected. (Not when they disburse sensitive information to the General Public ... I know these people and like them ... however ... just because I like them does not mean I think they should be excused ... The Kids across the hall love it because they find it to be a means to end in getting Kenny McDowell).

Sincerely,
A tax paying citizen.


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