I'd say that he would go low enough to strong arm a mentally slow individual into signing a statement that said individual lied at a council meeting.

::::::::::::How low would Joe go?::::::::::

Oh come on how long a list do you really want?? This could go on for weeks lol lol lol

I saw this and I'm really not surprised. Pilchesky is, simply put, a sick, evil thing...he is not even a man, because a real man would never INTENTIONALLY HARM the children of another. The children of any elected official must be off limits...period, end of story. No f&^king disclaimers, no f^%king fine print, no f&^king bull$hit rationalizations...just off limits, period, end of story. The fact that Pilchesky allowed the post to stand FOR SHEER PURPOSE OF ENTERTAINMENT is disgusting.

Proof positive that I will never hold an elected office myself, because the moment a dirtbag like Pilchesky EVER mentioned (or allowed to be mentioned) one of my children...well, let's just say I would not be as patient and civil as Joe Gatelli has been all these years.

Glenn, regardless of your intentions, by even being in that thread you are going to stink by association. Does this seem familiar at all to you? Any credit you claim that Joe is due for "exposing corruption" is flushed down the crapper 100 fold when stuff like this appears at DD.


-- Edited by Agamemnon at 21:07, 2008-04-06

Free Speech does't require a multi-paragrah disclaimer Mr. Pilchesky.

My opinion of the site has not changed.

There was a post (a) I did not agree with, and (b) I thought should be edited or removed altogether. You guys have also made your displeasure known.

Properly utilized, I still believe the forum serves a purpose. I agree that posts like the one debated tend to obscure the truly informative threads ($12 million being misappropriated by the tax collector, a supervisor allegedly using township property for personal use, and/or questionable ethics by county officials), but I'm not sure that some of this corruption would be exposed by any other means.

GC

Slurring the reputations of the family members of politicians will never be what this site is about.

If the Pilchesky's and the goons across the hall used the forum for exposing corruption in the right manner then I say go for it ...

Calling Sherry Fanucci "Fatty" I don't go for ... somehow it detracts from the credibility of that site.

Slurring the image of Judy Gatelli's children and Grandchildren ... again detracts from the credibility ...

God only knows had you won Glenn what they would have said about you the first time you didn't do what they wanted you to do ... and I'm not saying that you would have been under the thumb of the DD'ers ... I'm just saying that the minute that they disagreed with you ... you would be reading all kinds of things (mostly untrue) about you and your family as they are never made to back up statements made with proof ...

At least we always ask for proof ... even when it comes to Joe himself ... that's the difference ... expose corruption here all you want ... just be ready to offer the proof!


woooooopppps! Typo's ... I may have missed some ... but I got the really bad ones!

-- Edited by LusOnlyVoice at 15:37, 2008-04-07

Glenn C wrote...
Properly utilized, I still believe the forum serves a purpose. I agree that posts like the one debated tend to obscure the truly informative threads ($12 million being misappropriated by the tax collector, a supervisor allegedly using township property for personal use, and/or questionable ethics by county officials), but I'm not sure that some of this corruption would be exposed by any other means.


Glenn, seriously & with all due respect, "exposing corruption" or simply the application of the law of large numbers?

Put another way, if I make up 50 sleazy rumors a week, over time a certain percentage of them will end up being true in some manner. That, however, doesn't make me an activist, visionary or hero...it just means that I get my rocks off by slandering people and probability theory simply proves me right every once in a while.

Anyway, Lus is 1000% correct: Joe Pilchesky could stop the senseless slandering right now if he wanted to and focus his board just on the official actions of elected/appointed officials...but he doesn't. In fact, he basically just refuses to do so. Just curious, but why do you, as a regular DD poster, think that's the case?


-- Edited by Agamemnon at 18:30, 2008-04-07

Free Speech does't require a multi-paragrah disclaimer Mr. Pilchesky.

:::Properly utilized, I still believe the forum serves a purpose. I agree that posts like the one debated tend to obscure the truly informative threads ($12 million being misappropriated by the tax collector, a supervisor allegedly using township property for personal use, and/or questionable ethics by county officials), but I'm not sure that some of this corruption would be exposed by any other means.:::


This kind of justification is amazing coming from someone who I believed had some dignity and integrity. I think people tried to justify Musollini's behavior in a similar manner. Something about trains running on time?? So basically what I am reading from you is that we should except (not like it, we can even say we don't like it, but except it) children being slammed, their names and reputation being smeared, racial slurs, ethnic slurs, and attacks on various religions as long as the forum serves a bit of a purpose??
Wow Glen you need a reality check.

::::There was a post (a) I did not agree with, and (b) I thought should be edited or removed altogether.:::

You felt a bit stronger at the time than your above comment would suggest. If my memory serves me you were (rightly so in my opinion) offended to the point that you indicated you would no longer be posting at DD. You felt they had, by that action, sunk their own ship... so to speak. You made it clear you were done with them. I was very impressed and I actually told people about it. You really stood up and were counted. You should have stuck with your original statement, you have proven to me you are a politician. Sad I thought maybe you weren't one and that I could take you at your word.

-- Edited by IHavehadenoughofhaters at 20:48, 2008-04-07

Glenn, spoken like a true politician. Why? You know that Pilchesky is personally responsible for the content of his site, but yet you really don't want to question his motives either, lest you run the risk of offending someone at DD. No mind...I can't blame you for skirting my less than subtle attempt to bait you , which probably means you should move to Scranton and run for mayor (the baiting immunity thing seems to be a requirement of the job). Make no mistake about it though: you did dodge the question about why Joe allows these kinds of posts in the first place.

I do agree with your hero worship comment, but it's not just confined to politicians, as evidenced by an entire "We love Joe" thread at DD. This is the thread where Edith talks about how Joe let all those fish go into the river...still cracks me up.

To end on a more serious note, our very own Art has said a few times that one day someone will end up doing something tragically stupid as a result of reading something posted at DD or after listening to a council speaker rant. Sadly, I could not agree more. Unfortunately though, it will take that happening for some to actually hold the Pilchesky's accountable for what they've created; let's just hope that the injuries aren't life threatening.

-- Edited by Agamemnon at 21:33, 2008-04-07

Free Speech does't require a multi-paragrah disclaimer Mr. Pilchesky.

Amen.

I have to say that I think that website could have served a purpose ... but in my opinion ... and it is only my opinion here .... they do not ... by calling names like "Fattyucci", "Gay Ray" ... just to name two ... the list goes on and on. I do believe that the DD site loses it's credibility ... and with each name called the sink lower and lower.

The lowest of the low however is when they pick on children ... and anyone can say that when someone seeks office that this is the type of thing that they should expect ... and I say ...again my opinion ... it's wrong.

Balko points out: :::::I understand the concept of Pilchesky Deceit, butfind it hypocritical to criticize the ill bred vitriol that is routinely spewed at DD with similarly low brow comments to denigrate those "across the hall". ::::::

I understand your point of view ... and I want you to know that I am paying attention to it ... and I do know that you are right that on occassion I have called more than a few names ... to that I say you are right I am hypocritical .... But I do not ever recall stooping to the level that the kids across the hall stoop ... I call the "goons" is that right ... probably not ... I call Pilchesky "Pappa Pilchesky" ... I call his wife "Edith" ... But what I do not do is to allow myself to make up crap ... and post anything and everything that I hear .... and then confirm it as gospel because some guy sitting in the Dunkin Donuts says it is true so therefore it has to be. What I never ever do ... nor do we allow it ... is for such rumor and innuendo to be posted here ... and children are absolutely off limits ... they cannot say that across the hall.

Am I going to condem Glenn ... no I am not ... but that is my opinion .... Ag and IHave ... well they have minds of their own ... and I will not tell them how to feel about Glenn ... besides I do believe that Glenn can hold his own with this group ... he has been posting here for quite some time now and this isn't his first time that he and the PD posters do not agree ...

The difference between this site and the kids across the hall ... Glenn, IHave and Ag are in the middle of a disagreement ... but none will ask for the other to be banned ... they will discuss how they feel ... and the beauty is they do not have to agree ... and it will come to an end and on to a new discussion ... and they all pretty much will be able to either agree on the new subject or they will go through this again ... but nobody will be banned for simply disagreeing with another poster.

Nobody made a threat to Glenn, IHave or AG ... that is the big difference ....

Sorry for the ramble ... hell it's been such a long time since I have rambled .... hopefully I made sense ... and if I did not ... well I apologize.

Lus

Balko the wonder dog wrote:

From Agamemnon, earlier in this thread..."Put another way, if I make up 50 sleazy rumors a week, over time a certain percentage of them will end up being true in some manner. That, however, doesn't make me an activist, visionary or hero...it just means that I get my rocks off by slandering people and probability theory simply proves me right every once in a while."

I get it, since DD is over the top with innuendos and inflated statistics, this is exaggeration for effect.
What do you call the racial slurs, naming and revealing personal information about children of public officials, attacks on ethnicity and religion,..exaggeration for effect? I call it something else. Exggeration is one thing DD has long left exaggeration behind them.
Do you assume Cashuric has self serving motives
because they conflict with your opinions? Of all the posters to attack, at least he shows objective reasoning, as opposed to many of the vapid Pilchesky followers.

I assume nothing. I took Glen at his word. Glen notI or anyone at PD ever said one thing to Glen about his posting at DD. Glen said he was no longer posting at DD because of the hideous racial slurs thrown at Stacy Brown. I applauded his decision, but I never suggested to him he should or shouldn't post. He changed his mind when it suited his purposes and I called him on it. If he is satisfied with his choice that is fine, I simply disagree with him. Glen is welcome to his opinion as I am to mine. No harm no foul.

I understand the concept of Pilchesky Deceit, but find it hypocritical to criticize the ill bred vitriol that is routinely spewed at DD with similarly low brow comments to denigrate those "across the hall".

If you think we are disturbed with the "ill bred vitriol" then you have missed the point of this place altogether. If DD had only spewed "ill bred vitriol" I for one would never have lifted an eyebrow. It was the vile attacks on people public or otherwise that went so far over the top that any sane rational person couldn't or at least shouldn't ignore. You find what we say hypocritical? Please find one example where we gave anyone at DD a hard time for just calling a public official a jerk or a fool. (Those would be considered low brow comments). Then please show one example of anyone at PD using any of the attack methods here, we have cried out against at DD. (i.e. racial slurs, ethnic slurs, or religious slurs) If you are able to show us an example were we have done that, I assure you, not only will the post be gone in sixty seconds, so to will the poster.

Posting comments on the DD forum should not be an indictment against a person's character.

I should think you would know this already, but in case you don't, everything a person does all day, everyday, is an indictment of their character. You wouldn't be surprised to be thought of poorly if you were, for instance, posting on a KKK website would you? People will always be judged by their behavior in any situation, anywhere, always. It is the way people make assessments of others.

If I am opposed to the Iraq war, do I automatically side with radical Islamic factions who wage jihad against America?<----- example of an exaggeration for effect. Let's have a realistic question next time, shall we?
How convenient if life were so black and white.

It is convenient for me. Right is right and wrong is wrong and they never change, no matter how many times people try to justify their actions. Right is right and wrong is wrong... period.

I do not speak for Glen, but for myself when I say Pilchesky has successfully created a forum where exposure is a double edged sword. The water cooler gossip can be silenced with a mouse click, You can not un-ring a bell with a mouse click, once written is written. Gossip is wrong period! If you have facts that pertain to a public official, their office, and their performance in that office.. fine, bring it. Otherwise it is gossip (you know like the little mean old people you used to look at when you were a kid and say I will never be like that when I grow up). It was wrong then and it is wrong now. It damages people in a way they can not fix. Worse.. is when it is about the family members of these individuals. That is vile beyond words in my opinion. I hope to God you are never the victim of such nameless faceless gossip mongers. I imagine you will think quite differently should you ever find yourself in that situation.

but the seething corruption that has long been a stalwart of LackawannaCounty politics is not comfortable under this cyberspace scrutiny.

As I said before if you want to jump all over a public official (with facts, not rumors) for their performance or lack there of, have had it! I have no problem with that, it's the other stuff that turns my stomach

"It could easily have been copied and distributed to the various news outlets locally. Channels 16, 22, 28, both newspapers, Scranton Times, Times Leader, and the news talk radio WILK."
No longer is the media the message, it is has definitely become the massage. "News" is now marketed like game shows and music videos. Pilchesky is no more "Mussolini" than PT Barnum was. You can't bear to look, but you can't look away.

Please.. lets stop pretending that Scranton is that big in the scope of world events. I did not suggest that fool across the hall was Mussolini. I said that justification of a person's bad behavior by showing they have demonstrated some public good is not new, but it is still as pathetic now, as it was then, and as transparent. I hate to bring this to your attention, but The Times printed the story about the tax office before DD did so...draw your own conclusions. Do I think the newspapers don't have a bias? No I know that they do.. just as I do, and you do...the are run by humans not machines, so a bias is to be expected. Let's try not to exaggerate for effect the deep dark conspiracy that the Times is keeping us all in the dark and under their and Doherty's evil spell. I for one am quite capable of finding my news in many formats, the newspaper is only one format.

In the process, the once insulated, protected, aristocracy is exposed to the light of day. Beg to differ, but no for-profit media group would dare tread in much of this territory.
Really? Did you read today's issue of the Times? Quite a headline for a newspaper that is either covering up and/or afraid of the truth, you should read it.

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-- Edited by IHavehadenoughofhaters at 08:45, 2008-04-09

-- Edited by IHavehadenoughofhaters at 08:57, 2008-04-09

The problem is the anonymity. It's a generic message board that allows different people to post on different topics, so of course some people will cross the line, which is unacceptable. But it is not the equivalent of a website dedicated to white supremacy or some other morally offensive topic, so I am not treating it as such. I view it as a message board, plain and simple. There should be controls on improper posts.

However, I would appreciate Stacy's view (as the newest member of the "Doherty Four") on this topic, since this seems to be annoying people more than I believe it should.

After all, I am arguing with a bunch of pseudonyms here, too, and you guys are not always the most generous bunch either.

GC

Anonymity with reference to the dd site has to be taken with a grain of salt.

Sure there are a few who supposedly post under their own names, which takes a certain level of ballsiness. (And more power to them if you ask me, because certain posters have really opened themselves to a $hitload of ridicule.)

There are more than a few who, although they post under a pseudonym, have made their identities known. It has even been said by the admin himself that he has posted under other individual's pen-names (with or without their consent) i.e. Piccolino. Pilcheski opened up that can of worms and his faithful and trusted followers thought that was just fine and dandy because he made Piccolino worse in the public eye. Also, the changing of the verbage of posts to suit the admin's agenda under the guise of 'spelling and clarity' is a kick in the teeth as well - they're just too dim-witted to see it for themselves.

Every once in a while they post something with a grain of truth - then bounce it off each other until it snowballs into the dd version of a sasquatch sighting.

When an individual who posts under their own name (or not) comes out with bold-faced accusations (which usually are based on nothing more than blatant rumors and innuendo) and the posts are kept up for all the world to see - especially when they refer to the children or family members of a political figure - or they point an accusing finger at a named individual -- it takes the 'generic' factor out of the equation.

"My name is His Girl Thursday and I approve this message"

UGHHHHHHHHHHH imagine opening your door some morning and finding Fay on your doorstep YIKES!! That alone will keep me from ever allowing my identity to be revealed. lol lol lol