Water Co. is going WAYYYYY tooo far... Pennsylvania American Water Co. is attempting to enforce a little-known, 13-year-old rule that could require thousands of customers to install their own waterlines.
In July, the company told some customers who share waterlines that even though they were individually metered, individual lines must be installed within 30 days.
If enforced across the board, the move could affect thousands of water customers and property owners, including those who live in or own multiple-unit apartments and even some rear homes that share a lateral waterline.
Called Tariff 18.1, the regulation states that individual customers should have separate meters and waterlines, but offers no guidance on how that should be achieved.
Largely unenforced since 1994, the regulation faces a challenge from Scranton property owners Gary H. and Sharon Mead, who had water service to their three-unit rowhouse shut off after the company asked their tenants to install new waterlines.
This law needs to be kicked down, Mr. Mead said. This is not a health and safety issue. They are asking people to do something that is unnecessary.
The water company wants to be able to shut off individual customers from the street in the event of nonpayment or an emergency. Otherwise, the company would need to have access inside buildings to shut off water service to individual customers on a shared line.
Kerri Quick, a spokeswoman for Pennsylvania American Water, declined to answer questions about the case in a phone interview Tuesday, saying only that the company was working toward a resolution.
Mr. Meads challenge will be heard by the Pennsylvania Public Utility Commission. It has garnered the interest of the State Consumer Advocate, the state Small Business Advocate and others who have filed as intervenors in the case.
Consumer advocate Irwin Sonny Popowsky said the water company has caused a chaotic situation by demanding that tenants make improvements to property that they are not authorized to make.
The water company is threatening customers who have no control over the service and no ability to install a waterline on a premises they dont own, Mr. Popowsky said.
Although company officials have said they are only pressing residential users, state Business Advocate William Lloyd Jr. said the regulation could be interpreted to apply to businesses sharing a water line.
We want an explanation as to why this has been in effect since 1994 and not enforced, he said. If it was enforced, we want to know against whom. If exemptions were granted, we want to know to whom. Then we want to know why it was not enforced against everybody.
Customers are responsible for waterlines from the street to their houses. Installing a new waterline is an expensive, complicated process that often requires obtaining easements to dig through sidewalks and curbs, excavating a trench from the home to the water main, installation of the lateral line and restoration of curbing, sidewalk and landscaping.
When Mr. Mead learned of the notices his tenants received, the company refused to talk to him, because the accounts were not in his name. Eventually, water service was cut, but his protests to the commission and state officials got it turned back on in one day. Two of his tenants moved out, fearing they would be liable for installation of new waterlines.
Mr. Mead believes Pennsylvania American Waters heavy-handed tactics are not necessary. He never denied the company access to the common area of his basement to shut off water. Given that the company already has meters that can be read electronically, he thinks it should install electrical shutoffs so they can cut service from the outside.
A landlord in Mr. Meads situation can avoid installing new waterlines by adding a master meter with submeters for each unit. The property owner would be responsible for the bill, and then would have to bill each tenant.
For Mr. Mead, thats still an unnecessary expense and burden.
The water company wants to shift their job of billing to me, he said.
Mr. Mead thinks Pennsylvania American Water is using him as a test case, and that the outcome could influence utility operations statewide.
Imagine if any utility could force you to change things in your house that have no bearing on health and safety and make it retroactive, he said. This is a precedent.
The case is being heard by Administrative Law Judge Ember S. Jandebeur.
RE: Now this is going WAYYYYY tooo far... what you do NOT know is there are thousands and thousands of double homes that have one service going into the house--and many of these people who live in these double homes or multiple apartment buildings do NOT pay their water bill--These same people know the water company can NOT turn them off because the other family living in this home have paid their water bill and therefore they can't be turned off-- they know this and take advantage of this-- The bills sometimes go into the hundreds and sometimes thousands. Now as a water company customer who DOES pay their bill every month-- how do you feel about someone living next to you getting away with this? Unfair I would believe. These very people know all the angles, they move from apartment to apartment never paying their bill. Having the water company have the landlords put in another service to make every family have their own line is quite reasonable considering all the money that is lost due to non paying customers. Don't wonder why your water bill goes up- this can be one of the reasons-- and also theft of services--have you any idea how many people put straight pipes in and steal water? My personal opinion is these people should be arrested but the Public Utility Commision will never allow it-- if I stole a loaf of bread I would be in jail--but people who steal water walk away-- And there is much more you don't know but trust me this is truly not unreasonable, it is fair and should have been done years and years ago. "Now you know the rest of the story" As Paul Harvey used to say. Please try to understand the other side-- suppose it was your business and someone was not paying for your service whether it be a computer or water-- goods are goods, services are services--and more people should be concerned about all the people who are stealing water--and do you think that is rightas well? When you do not pay your bill on purpose that is in a way stealing-you are getting water for nothing!. Also know people who are havinga hard time paying their bill do speak to company officials and they work with them. It is the people who for months and years that deliberately do not pay their bills that this article is about. Thanks for listening.
Oh ya thats her we actually have the post where she admits who she is, lol lol Edith edited it but not before we caught it in it's original form. She also does (or did) ownblue MG tincan car, hence her screen name. Aquamg. :)))
LOL How about her calling mulitple times and using different names whoooooooooo she is clever.. that one!! As if anyone who has ever heard that voice couldbe fooled.... please!!!How old is she??... 3? I wonder how much laughing goes on at the radio studio over her?? At least as much as we laugh at her no doubt! LOL LOL LOL
She's part of the COB Network. The Crazy Old Bat Network. They run this city. I have solid evidence. Pilchesky is the leader, Franus is a subnoodle, Anti is the lackey.
Oh my God ... I can't stop laughing !!!!! COB ... I knew there was some sort of conspiracy here in Scranton ... I just wasn't sure what it was called .... LOL
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I want everyone to stop and think about one thing ... Joe Pilchesky is not a lawyer ... he's just a guy playing a lawyer on the internet. Please don't trust your legal needs to this man.
I hear that she is retired now. Thats why she has been spending so much time on WILK. Don't know how true it is but that's what I heard. Anyone confirm this??
She was calling in to WILK before she ever retired ... I knew she was planning on retiring ... but didn't know she actually did it yet.
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I want everyone to stop and think about one thing ... Joe Pilchesky is not a lawyer ... he's just a guy playing a lawyer on the internet. Please don't trust your legal needs to this man.
If true, it's hillarious that she's calling into WILK under different names. It might work something like this:
(Fay, calling in as "Helga"): Hello, I'd like to talk to Steve Corbett. (WILK Screener): Ok, what's your name? (Fay): Errrrrrr, hmmmmmm, Helga, yeah, that's it, Helga. (WILK Screener): Oh, Helga, huh? Ok Fay, oh, I mean Helga, what do you want to talk about? (Fay): Just that Mayor Doherty isn't for the people. (WILK Screener): Yeah, but we just had Fay, Wanda, Yolanda, Queen Latifa, Heidi, Broomhilda, and Ray call in over the past hour with that exact same comment. (Fay): You're just not for the people are either, are you? Joe Pilchesky warned me about you. You should give him his own show. He's for the people. (WILK Screener): Muting the mic...Steve, she's on again. (Steve Corbett): S&^t, why couldn't I have just gotten a job at the car dealership? Ok, put her through. (Steve Corbett): Welcome Fay, oh, er, Helga...
-- Edited by Agamemnon at 08:33, 2008-01-13
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Free Speech does't require a multi-paragrah disclaimer Mr. Pilchesky.