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I just spent (wasted) 20 minutes of my life reading Joe (et al) defend his use of the word.

I remain speechless. While many people have said things they regret, few that I can remember have tried so hard to defend such anger and lunacy.

I have provoked Pilchesky, taunted him, teased him, made fun of him, wished bad things for him, etc. It never occurred to me to try to find a way to eliminate any hope he ever had of credibility or judgment. I always figured he's find a way to do that himself.

He found it yesterday. Kudos Joe. You did to yourself what no critic was able to completely do.

(PS: I been critical of GC from time to time here. He was one of two posters over there with enough nuts to call Joe out. I respect that Glen.)

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There's not a parent of a teenager out there who at this minute does not know that their teenager is not only listening to rap music, but dressing like rappers and talking like rappers. Where did the pants hanging down to your crotch come from? How about that ridiculous wearing the oversized hat sideways? That includes the Lynetts, Dohertys, Gatellis and Browns, and so on. Get a grip here. The "N" word is the central word in many of those songs and can be found in the titles to many of them. Listen to MTV type music shows. I can't repeat the other commonly used term to denegrate women, their mothers included, but they use it. So, it's OKfor the White capitalists to use the "N" word to sell millions of records, but low and behold, don't dare use it to describe a lowlife like Stacy Brown. Thumbs up to Joe. Stacy Brown plays dirty, but he doesn't like being properly tagged, obviously.

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Very good, Sin City. And, very factual, too. The "N" word isn't its old self in these days, that's a matter of social status. It has morphed into more than slang in the rap music world and black comedy, accepted by all colors for what it is. It's time for everyone to take the 'color' colored glasses off. Stop pretending the word equates with a tragic death or something dreadful. It's a word, it's in the dictionary and it's prominence in our society is clear on its face.Why the conflict and/or confusion. It can't be heard by anyone to say that the "N" word is offensive and at the same time they'repatronizinga rap music industry and black comedy communitythat uses it generously, thereby advocating and promoting it. There's a bizare hipocracy regrading that word. You can't dareuse it in a sentence one time, but you can sing a song with the word in it 20 times? Time to grow up.


Not a teenager out there????? My f-ing God!! What Planet are these people from? How much more detached from reality can Pilchesky and his turds be?

I have THREE TEENAGE DAUGHTERS and none of them are into the disprespectful 'ghetto' culture that is promoted by certain aspects of the music industry. We've actually talked about certain rap songs and why I do not allow that in my house...but nor would I allow so-called NAZI Rock (Oi! I believe is the genre in question) either. NONE OF THEM use the 'n' word as a normal part of conversation. None of them would EVER WRITE IT in a posting. As a family we actually have talked about the word...long before Pilchesky decided to don his Grand Dragon posting costume...about how it is mis-used in popular culture and how is it mis-used in as a handgranade of hate.

I hate to yell here, by THESE PEOPLE ARE MORONS!!!!!!


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There is not one person accross the hall that isn't a racist pig. If you agree with that as s of a man....you deserve to be put in that category. Joe again you are truly a piece of shi*. Merry Christmas.

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Nice job Glen very nice job. :)

::::The forum serves a purpose, Joe, but not when its primary aim is to humiliate rather than enlighten and promote viewpoints better suited to Alabama circa 1955 rather than offer a progressive outlook and opinion on the state of a struggling city.::

Bingo! We have been saying that from day one had the board stayed on topic and merely expressed their disent with the current administrations actions, I for one would never have uttered a word. It was when they went "personal" and "dirty" that I was outraged. Glad you can see where they went south and took their credibilty with them.


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Now That Politics Has Reached A New Low...

Joe, I find it hard to believe that you did not immediately regret using a racial epithet when criticizing Stacy Brown. It was not appropriate, and by doing so, here is what you allowed to happen:

1. Mrs. Gatelli was allowed to completely sidestep her opinion of the financial implications of the city budget. Mr. Courtright, regardless of anyone's view of him, brought up legitimate issues in a clear and concise manner. So how did the council president answer Mr. Courtright's concerns? She took the live hand grenade you lobbed over to her, pulled the pin, and tossed it right back in your face. She ended up sitting in front of a camera and calling herself names for five minutes. This was embarrassing to watch. But it worked.

2. Mrs. Fanucci was able to blast the unions and come down squarely on the side of "the taxpayers", even though the increasing debt and council's inability to put the brakes on out-of-control spending is completely antithetical to the best interests of those very taxpayers. She made her case seem black-and-white even though she seems to honestly have no grasp of financial issues or accounting.

3. The "Junior Council" president, at the age of 17, is now a political pawn to be battered around and used both by the administration and members of the council. I believe (have always believed) the Junior Council is a huge mistake, and this confirms it. The purpose was learning the ropes of government, not playing politics as part of a tag team.

Mr. Miller is a MINOR, Mrs. Gatelli. Get him out of there.


4. I know the board is called "dohertydeceit". I am not especially in favor of that since Chris Doherty seems to be the only person operating in full view of the public. However, any remnant of civic benefit that still remained was eliminated by the use of that famous "n" word. There are better ways to highlight disagreements with the financial direction of the city.

5. Mrs. Evans has to stop accusing this administration of "greasing palms" and "who you know" games. If there is no proof, or even a likelihood of proof, there should be no comment. Her job on council, whether she likes it or not, is watchdog. Tell the public where the numbers do not make sense. Eventually, if true, someone will start catching on.

I know we disagree frequently and still manage to remain friends (my end, anyway), so I have to tell you that the only response was an apology for using the word. "Black friends" and split-hair definitions were not what was required.

If you truly want to make a difference, call Mrs. Gatelli and offer to settle the lawsuit between the two of you. Trust me on this one. Both your holiday seasons will be more pleasant, and you can then go back to what you are better at--pointing out government waste and mismanagement. Someone has to take the first step here, and it most likely has to be you.

The forum serves a purpose, Joe, but not when its primary aim is to humiliate rather than enlighten and promote viewpoints better suited to Alabama circa 1955 rather than offer a progressive outlook and opinion on the state of a struggling city.

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::: There's not a parent of a teenager out there who at this minute does not know that their teenager is not only listening to rap music, but dressing like rappers and talking like rappers. Where did the pants hanging down to your crotch come from? How about that ridiculous wearing the oversized hat sideways? That includes the Lynetts, Dohertys, Gatellis and Browns, and so on. Get a grip here. The "N" word is the central word in many of those songs and can be found in the titles to many of them :::

So I guess the above post is leading me toward the direction that I am expected to believe that Joe is a purveyor of rap music and the wearer of baggy pants. And his use of such language is due to the rap music he and his teenage friends listen to ... ahhh, I get it now.

Sin City sounds like he could be first runner up for "Parent of the Year" just behind the pilcheski's.

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Just when you want to wash your hands of the bunch of losers, in steps Glenn Cashuric with the single voice of reason.

Damnit Glenn, I was hoping to be done with them. Great post --I hope they heed your words.

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Amen IHave. I started posting here after Judy Gatelli's daughter and grandaugher became cannon balls at DD. Absent the vile name calling and inuendo, I'd probably be posting at DD now.

Oh, and two other random thoughts...

...like Art, I've been critical of Glenn C, but I applaud him for being a stand-up guy. He has my vote the next time he decides to run for a county-wide office.
...it's not uncommon for cult members to actively defend the actions of the cult-leader, not matter how outrageous his/her behavior becomes. Anyone see a similar behavior in action lately?


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I have to laugh at Joe's reply to Glenn -- he's spitting fifty cent words around and tops his rant off with the word "gernades". And not just once, either.

I'd call him redneck hick, but we don't want to insult all the redneck hicks.

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Thanks for the response Mr. Brown. I see your point. By the way, I'm/we are not poor slobs with no jobs. We do quite well, but by no means are we wealthy. We'd do much better in other regions for comparable careers though. I took a few years off to raise the kids and it became a little lean for a while, but we're fine now.
Not to inflame you Mr. Brown, but your newspaper sucks compared to others I read. They have hidden a lot of issues fro the public for certain people or institutions in the area.
It's criminal to have to read Allentown, Pittsburgh, Wilkes-Barre or Philadelphia newspapers on- line to read about scandals in the church, casino and gaming news and other news that they will not cover.
I have never seen a mayor treated so well in 30 years. Our mayors have been given the nod for the first year and then the games begin. Not this guy.
Just because he knows your publishers personally, should not be a reason to suppress the news related to him. It's a sin what this mayor is doing to this city and never a word from your paper. In fact, they defend his actions. That's not their job. Their job is to report the news and let their readers decide how they feel. Not drive the story.

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Yikes another disenter look out!! This one is heading for a banning I would guess! Nice post moosicman!


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Glenn...THANK YOU.....a voice of reason in the midst of all of this.
Someone asked why JoeP would help Patilla....um...so he could continue to be the ringmaster of this circus...and as for this site surviving....I think there are about 10 people who actually post, the rest are all from Joe and Edith.
To defend what you wroteand support the tone of such nonsense only exposes JoeP as the adolesent, pompous, and self-loathing man he really is.
Your 15 minutes of fame is just about over Joseph, as evidenced by your downward spiral, and after that you will only have the mirror to search for the man you thought you were.
Sad and ironic at the same time.
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Not sure that JOey really thought out what his racist hate filled rant of a post would accomplish, but JOey and the DOlts at JOey LAnD should have a little gander at this...

Criteria for a website to be monitored as part of Section 215 of the Patriot Act by the FBI from the FBI's website.

Web sites that are deemed hate sites display content, or engage in any activity, that:

  • is illegal, or advocates illegal acts;
  • exploits or endangers a minor;
  • compromises anyone'sprivacy by using or revealing personal information;
  • condones or may provoke violence toward any individual or group on the basis of age, disability, gender, ethnicity, race, nationality, religion, or sexual orientation
  • is vulgar or violent; or
  • may cause or encourage substantial harm or damage to others or its members.

Furthermore an administrator will not permit anyone else to display such words or images, or engage in such activity, on any webpage pages they control (profile, journal, private messages, group pages, etc.).

The above criteria applies to an individual poster's activity and content anywhere on the website, including articles, forums, profiles, journals, groups, photos, videos, audio, etc.



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Hummmm maybe this batch of recent DD posts needs to be forwarded to the FBI?? :))

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::: ... think there are about 10 people who actually post, the rest are all from Joe and Edith. :::

Edith?? Someone actually referred to his wife as "Edith" on the dd website? Looks to me as if someone reads this site primarily and his site secondarily. My my my how the tables have turned




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Wow, a DD poster sums up all of the Pilchesky apologist arugments in one sentence:


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I think the new political low is not using the N word, but being so noble as to not say the word but to treat citizens and taxpayerslike N-worders.



Allow me to translate from Pilchesky-ese to English:
"Because some people (City Council, Stacy Brown, etc.) don't do what we tell them to do, Joe Pilchesky can use any and every offensive term he wants at any time for any reason."

One fly in the ointment though: Go up to an African American, say Ron Felton (President of the Wilkes-Barre chapter of the NAACP) and ask HIM if the 'n' word is offensive. Somehow I don't think you'll get a "The word is offensive except when that Joe Pilchesky uses it" response.






-- Edited by Agamemnon at 06:38, 2007-12-06

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And the disention continues.....nice post Hardcore! It is good to see some people have a conscience.

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RE: Now That Politics Has Reached A New Low...
NotADumbBlonde wrote:...... " The "word," as you define it, is racial; it is not --nor has it ever been--to me. But so be it.

I stand by my post."

I have an idea, blonde. Go to a baseball game at Yankee Stadium, and when you pull out of the parking lot, turnright instead of left. After drivinga couple blocks, get out of your car and ask some of the indigenous poputationif the word "Nig**r is racist to them. Then calmly explain that the word doesn't have any racial connotations to you.

Your defense of the usage of the "N" word is a load of bullsh!t. The same goes for Pilchesky's use. The word may have lost some of it's impact in the hip hop/rap culture, butcallinga black person "Nig**rimpacts them on a visceral level that non- black's cannotfathom.

We can all sit here anddefend our beliefs with hollow claims of "not intending the meaning to be racial", "Having black friends," or other equally abysmal excuses, but the real truth is
the use of the N word is racist, is a racial slur, and it's usesmacks ofneanderthal thinking.

Mr. Pilchesky, you need to apologize, and you know it.

(NotA) DumbBlonde, you need to cut and pasteyour results ofan online search of the meaning of the word Nig**r, (since that seems to be your forte). While your at it, research the word"sycophant". If you publicly massaged Pilchesky's genitalsit would be a refreshing hint of subtlety.



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Wow ... it's great to see that some are standing up against the use of this word ...

Girl ... I did notice that poster called Joanne "Edith" this morning ... I was surprised to see it over there even though we refer to her as "Edith" all of the time!

IHave ... I must say that I am hoping that we are wrong about the identity of the poster DumbBlonde ... as sick as I was before at the thought of this person teaching our children ... it makes me even sicker now ...

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Let me see, in the world of Pilchesky apologists, we seem to have two schools of thought when it comes to Joe & the 'n' word:

1. The 'n' word appears in popular culture, rap videos, various Dave Chapelle show videos, etc., therefore it was ok for Joe to use it. [The fallacy? Lowlife elements of popular culture use the word to sell music, etc.; that's nothing more than dispecable. Read Bill Cosby & Alvin Poussaint's excellent book, Come on, People! for a more detailed exploration of this topic. Did Joe use the word to sell a rap album or a TV show? No. Joe used the word in a fit of hateful rage.]

OR

2. Joe was actually correctly using the 'n' word as a descriptive for someone so low, so vile, so guilty of high crimes that the worst of slurs should apply to that person. [The fallacy? The person the word was thrown at wasn't guilty of rape, murder, stealing food from orphan children; no, that person was guilty of writing an article that Joe Pilchesky did not agree with. Using that kind of logic, I guess it would be perfectly ok for me to Tasar a waitress the next time I am at Denny's and the food takes a little long to get out.]




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I would like to take this opportunity to explain to everyone that after consideration by the Moderators of this forum that we made a decision to edit out the "N" word from the post that shows what a pig Joe Pilchesky really is.

We the Moderators and the membership of this board ... would like to express our thanks to someone who captured the post in it's original form now we have a copy of that post ... anyone who wishes to have a copy should either contact me via my email address CounterPoint1963@aol.com or contact one of the moderators via PM and we will be more than happy to honor your request.

Thank you to this person for forwording this to me as I and the moderators and the membership of this board were highly offended by that original post and did not like having the unedited version up on our site. Although at the time it was completely necessary to have it here. Again thank you for giving us back our dignity!

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This post was edited for clarity ... ye that's right ... but I only edited my own post for clarity ... somehow it was incomplete before editing!

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I would have left it up in unedited form. It is what it is, and should be judged on its in-your-face merits (or lack thereof).

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Well Glenn what it is that made me edit out the "N" word is the moderators (not all) but some were worried that by leaving it unedited that we were leaving ourselvs open to violations of the Sparklit terms of service which we do not want to put our board at risk for something that Joe Pilchesky wrote.

Now you being a lawyer ... maybe you can clear that up for me ... are we at risk for what he wrote? I really don't know ... and don't want to risk our board.

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I honestly do not believe so, but I see your point...if violating the terms of service is a concern. I never really thought it violated the TOS in the first place, if you catch my drift...

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::::::I never really thought it violated the TOS in the first place, if you catch my drift... ::::

I caught it!! Read my mind as well. :)

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Glenn Cashuric wrote:

I honestly do not believe so, but I see your point...if violating the terms of service is a concern. I never really thought it violated the TOS in the first place, if you catch my drift...

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Glenn you are right we did not violate the terms of service ... below find the Sparklit terms of service:

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As we are not promoting racisim we were clearly not in violation of the terms of service. Joe on the other hand often is in violation of the sparklit TOS.



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my opinion is that it should remain in the public forum so people could see just what this guy is all about.
Stacy,
I have put it back in the public forum ... in it's original form so people know that these are the words of Joe Pilchesky and not the words of our Poster Tim ...
After checking into the rules of conduct it is clear to me that we are as Glenn stated not in violation as we are not promoting racism here at PD.
I think that Joe and the goons would like nothing better than for this post to go away and were probably very happy that we edited it ... But ourjob here is not to make Joe and the goons happy ... it is to expose them for what they truly are.
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Thank you Art!

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Ok ... now I didn't think we would be posting to this once again but I just had to ... I made a trip across the hall and it seems that they are highly upset with the comment made by Louis DeNaples:

Specifically, I am referring to where I am quoted as saying, ''To me, black people all look alike.''

I apologize for the insensitivity of this remark.

Louis A. DeNaples


I am not saying that it was right for him to say that ... but come on ... it seems that the DD goons are upset over this statement ... why is that ... Joe can use the "N" word and it's perfectly fine with the goons ... but Louis DeNaples is bad for what he said ... I'm trying to figure this out ....


Crow eatersPosts: 41Date: Feb 2 6:06 AM, 2008Views: 71Quote | ReplyRE: Denaples News and Indictment NotADumbBlonde wrote: Specifically, I am referring to where I am quoted as saying, ''To me, black people all look alike.''I apologize for the insensitivity of this remark. Louis A. DeNaplesDunmoreOnce that bell rings, Louie, it rings. There's no unringing it. I don't approve of usingthe N-word, but if you're going to use it, I liked the way Pilchesky handled it. Hestood behind what he said instead of trying to cover it up with an apology. Say what you mean and mean what you say. Pilchesky is a dirtbag in my humble opinion, but he says what he means and means what he says, like it or not. I can live with that.

Well at the very least this poster ... even though he condones the way Mr. Pilchesky stood behind what he said ... called Pilchesky a dirtbag ...


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Where's the gm poster now? Wonderful man, your Louie, no? Very religious and generous, maybe that is except to black people. Not just a little hypocritical, but billionaire size hypocritical. I suppose you want proof that Louie said that, right?



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As seen on WNEP's Website:

DeNaples Article WNEP-TV

"The paperwork even indicates that when shown a photograph of Ali, DeNaples said, "To me, black people all look alike.""

If I were attending Lackawanna College, the University of Scranton or planned on attending the new Medical College, I think I'd have to consider the comment these schools, by virture of accepting money and in at least two cases, allowing this man to serve as a trustee, are making.

While extolling their diversity in staff and student population, hosting diversity offices and programs and making a show of being equal-opportunity institutions, they apparently are doing just that, making a show.

All three institutions should denounce the comments allegedly made by DeNaples and distance themselves from the man, in the name of respect and dignity for all.

Of course, that would mean distancing themselves from his money.

I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for that to happen.

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There are more examples ... but I don't want to go overboard here ... now they are really nothing more than a bunch of hypocrits over there ... come on guys ... how can you be for what Joe said and against what Louis DeNaples said ...

I do want to make it clear that I do not condone what Mr. DeNaples said ... however I do not think it's right for the Goon Squad to crucify him over it when they said it was ok for Joey to use the "N" word .... just a thought!

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Just when you think that Joey is smart enough to stop his racisit bull$hit ... he sinks to a whole new level !!!

I was about to unsticky this topic ... but now I can't .... Joey shame on you ... I don't know what else to say!

I provided a link as there is so much of his racist crap that I didn't want to take up space with it ...


Scranton "Political" Times(Hope and change topic ... I would say it is my opinion that Joey never wants anyone to change!)



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It's been a long time since he's spewed all those ten dollar words. It also sounded like that whole back-and-forth dialogue was scripted.

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The Puke Boy Is Again Craving attention. He can't help himself. The one thing I'll forever remember is his comment made to two reporters, myself included, about those who post on his sitewho failed to show up at a court hearing he was involved in (There were, other than the lawyers, judge and court reporter) two other people in the room. He called his flock "BOTTOM FEEDERS!"

Imagine, being called a Bottom Feeder by the King of Low life.

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