Very nice post. A few thing to consider. I personally think KOZ's on residential properties will be better for a future tax spike than business KOZ's. The businesses, (which I have personal knowledge of) are gong to move when he tax forgiveness ends. The houses will probably not go empty, although some original owners have moved already. Someone will probably fill those homes even if the owners move after the taxes kick in.

I can't disagree with costs of services, but I've studied past budgets (all available at the library) and I believe if non essential personnel (which have doubled during his term in office) were cut, it should balance the budget. Pitting the "patronage" jobs against the people who provide our services (the low end Refuse collectors, street cleaners, cops, firemen and clerical staff) is the false battle line drawn by Doherty to falsely target where the real problem lies. The respective departments have been cut substantially over the years. Growth (and increasing expenses has been in upper and middle management, clearly in the budgets and expense reports. Doherty is simply lying to everyone, about where the problems are.

Where did I ever imply or state that Evans would not take business based donations to her campaign? I agree, it's a necessary evil and until the campaign finance laws are reformed, it's going to be a problem. Doherty spent over $1,000,000 to get re-elected. That's a disgrace in a city our size. The question everyone should be asking is WHY he spent that much and WHO gave it to him. There you will find the answer to his motives and actions and WHO he takes care of. It's clearly not the average taxpayer in the city. He sold out this city and it's residents for ONE special interest, his own.

Oh yeah - and how much is he costing his backers - whoever they may be ....

I understood perfectly well the gist of your conversation. After all, I'm not Granma. I also understood that some of what you stated could also be applied to the old man himself.

- He HAS spent an enormous amount of money (to win no cases out of 28)
- I would like to have some answers to his motives and actions (again, to win no cases out of 28 and has cost the taxpayers copious amounts in legal fees)
- I would definitely like to know who he is taking care of because it certainly isn't the average citizen (Is it Janet? Is it the mayoral candidate du jour? Pick one of the minion and get back to me.)
- he also has sold out his city for his own benefit (anything to wring the city dry and (again) has cost the taxpayers copious amounts in legal fees with his frivilous lawsuits.)

So tell me, has the old man given you even a sniff of a dollar figure as to how much his nonsense has cost me so far? Can he offer an amount as to how much his nonsense is going to cost me in the future? Has he given you a dollar figure as to how much he has cost his Pac people? Oh, and have you played your "Do A Favor For Janet" card and has she given you a copy of her elusive budget? Hello? ... Anything? ... I didn't think so.

Oh, and if Ag has a problem with my interrupting your conversation, I am sure he'll let me know. Until that time, wiggle your arse n tha tchair a little longer to embed that burr in your
butt.

So then the answer to the question ("How much is he costing us in legal fees?") would be "I don't know." What's so difficult about that?

Sort of like how when someone walks into a room and gets their ass handed to them time after time, eventually they'll stop walking into that room?

And you really don't need to concern youself with WHY these questions are being asked. Just that they ARE being asked. And just like Miss Clairol and the old man make their many demands for answers, I would like mine answered as well.

The old man wouldn't have booted us out the door if he had any answers, even if he was so inclined to supply them to us. And since Janet won't even admit to knowing the guy, she won't have any of the answers. So again, you came to US - you've got both doors open to you - you're apparently the one with Miss Clairol's ear - so get the budget. Schmooze the old man for the info -- you'll probably like it, even if he doesn't supply the info.

By the way, where did you get the "28" lawsuits from? Did you read that in the paper? Off the top of my head, I think Pilchesky's suits haven't topped 10 yet. I may be incorrect, but no way 28.

I understand you competely Tim, just don't confuse this new "growth" mentality as something good. This is Doherty using some of these progressive ideas to vault himself to higher office. I agree with the "coal cracker" mentality keeping this region down and I loathe people who are afraid of change for the better, but Doherty's policies are not the answer. They're the real speedbump on the road to progress. Some day we'll get a true public servant who will impose good change as opposed to the "what's in it for me" mentality. Nothing Doherty does is for the good of the community. Only how he can parlay it into something good for him and his political future.

::: ... a few thousand being spent on lawsuits. ... :::
I guess that is all the answer I am going to get. But your verbal ain't proof, darlin'.

::: ... why not put a little more effort into exposing the wrongs that many of you agree are happening ... :::
I have never said I agree with everything our mayor has done since elected the second time. I have looked him in the eye and said "what were you THINKing?" And again, I will say - I am not a political person - and what interests me now - right now - this very moment - is this -- where is Janet's elusive budget, how much did pilcheksi spend and how much is it going to cost me?

Maybe tomorrow I'll talk take a stroll over to city hall and ask the mayor some pertinent questions. You see, that's all it takes. Just ask if he is in and there you go. Maybe you could take that little tidbit of info back to your girl Janet. She should try a little common decency - and maybe leave her bad-ass posse behind when she struts it up those steps to his office.

the exact monetary number is not really important. It is the fact that he knew more than anyone else that his attempts would be frivolous and he still persued them. Also, he has clogged the system with more and more suits that he knows he can't win.

There is a case in DC right now where a judge is suing a korean laundry mat for 56 million dollars for lost pants. He took the literal translation of the law and applied it to the sanctions he aske for, He is now almost definitly going to be dis-barred. Why, he took advantage of the language. Joe takes advantage of the language. Pols take advantage of the language, we all do at times.

Joe is a thorne in the side of entire administration on the city and now county level.. The problem is almost all he is doing is unwarented. Politics is dirty, business is real dirty...people get hurt it is not right and we shouldnt be so accustomed to it but it is that way. JOe is using his "free Speech" right to say he is trying to clean it all up. I beg you as a supporter of him to really look into his motives. Look into it close. He is insulated to a point but he is sloppy. I know. He has achived limited success by getting fay franus, dan hubbard, nancy krake ect to join his team. They don't see him as anything but a good soul looking out for their best interests. To an extent that can be said but look deeper. BANG it will be clear. I not reading these boards for fun.

You are kinda bitchy to GirlThursday arent ya Shari. What don't you want these people to like you at all. Seems like you start with them and then get pissy when they give it back to ya. Ya get what ya give.

WIM I will apologize for interrupting the conversation between you and Shari ... but here is the thing ... she is bitchy and we don't mind ... she can be as bitchy as she wants or needs to be.

But come on talk about a hypocrite ... Milo she came here and by her own admission she is a Liar ... she does not think that she needs proof to back up one thing she says ... we should hang on her every word ... she stated that she came here to educate us ... which tells me one thing ... that she can not handle being among free thinking people.

She talks about me lumping her with her DD cohorts ... well how the hell can I know she's not as bad as the rest ... she will not tell us who she is on DD (not her real name) ... that way we can't criticize her DD persona ... she's hiding ... or maybe she's afraid that Joey will tell her she can't come to our sandbox and play anymore ... who knows and I think that we all are past the point of caring.

I DO NOT to be educated by Shari ... maybe she's Janet Evans herself (joke) since she is so interested in giving all of us a proper education!

"Let's turn it back on on you now. Prove anything I post is not true...Instead of arguing with me over my posts, prove them wrong and I'll accept it."

Phenomenal strategy! When unable (or just unwilling) to prove the truthfulness of your statements yourself, you challenge the accuser to prove that they're false. Winning move!

Shari, you certainly are quick to quote the dollar figures and percentages when you need to. Now, c'mon - whip out that budget. It's been a few days - we're still waiting. Or aren't you the celebrity you think you are.