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Directly from the fishwrap:

"Council President Judy Gatelli on Thursday has filed a countersuit against political activist Joseph Pilchesky. The council president had been dogged by comments made on Mr. Pilchesky's Web site and earlier this year canceled
a council meeting saying she felt threatened by posts and avatars on the site.

Mr. Pilchesky filed a defamation suit last month against Mrs. Gatelli and now the council president has fired back. "Everyone has a point in which they get fed up," Mrs. Gatelli's attorney George Reihner said.

"The political terrorists must be stopped." Mrs. Gatelli's suit seeks punitive and compensatory damages and names Mr. Pilchesky's wife, Joanne, and 100 John and Jane Doe's who post anonymously on the Web site.

Mrs. Gatelli has also asked the court to order Mr. Pilchesky not to delete, tamper with or destroy any files from his personal computer and cell phone. Mrs. Gatelli is also seeking the court's permission to have a forensic expert enter Mr. Pilchesky's Green Ridge home to examine the Web site administrator's computer."


-- Edited by Joe Pilchesky at 16:11, 2007-05-24

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The State police couldn't find anything last time, so what is she expecting? It sounds like DESPERATION.

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LO Freakin L.

Joe is a "political terrorist"?



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do you have al ink to click on to read this article--that link above is unreadable--you ccan not click onto it--thanks--I would like to read the story--thank you

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Who the hell does Judy think she is?? 'Political terrorist' my arse. Everytime the woman opens her mouth she makes a bigger a$$ out of herself. Go head Judy sue us all! See how far your so called political career soars afterward, dumb a$$!!! Judy Gatelli is a bigger embarrassment then that clown we call a mayor.

Joe and Joanne I wish you all the luck in the world with that a$$ clown. Show her how it's done.

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Here's the link...CLICK HERE I hope I'm not one of the 100 "John Doe's" mentioned...I'm a sooooooo scared!!! Hey Judy...G-F-Y!!!...Jimbu15.

-- Edited by Joe Pilchesky at 16:32, 2007-05-24


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Take a good look. This is what it looks like when the politicians who have been screwing us over time and time again have the tables turned on them. This is what they look and sound like when justice and accountability come calling. So, now I'm a 'political terrorists" by someone's evaluation. The article leaves out who said it. Isn't that libel if that's not true?

Legal definition of terrorism from Black's Law Dictionary: "The use or threat of violence to intimidate or cause panic, especially a means of affecting political conduct."

Definition of terrorist from American Heritage Dictionary: "One that engages in acts or an act of terrorism."

Anyone out there have a recollection of me using or threating violence to intimidate or cause panic to affect political conduct? I can't. I know we've caused a lot of panic in the political machinery, but when telling the truth becomes an act of terrorism, where in God's name do we go from there?

(edited for typos)

-- Edited by Joe Pilchesky at 17:10, 2007-05-24


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THAT CERTAINLY SOUNDS LIKE A FISHING EXPEDITION. JUST WHAT DOES SHE HAVE AS PROOF THAT THE ITEMS PUBLISHED HERE ARE INDEED 'TERRORIZING' HER.

THE PROBABLE CAUSE HAS TO BE ESTABLISHED BEFORE A WARRANT CAN BE ISSUED. OOPS, I FORGOT WE ARE IN LIKEIWANNA CO. IT WOULD BE INTERESTING TO SEE THE AFFIDAVIT OF PROBABLE CAUSE TO SEE WHAT
mr. rhino IS USING. BY THE BY WHO IS PAYING FOR THE SERVICES OF mr. rhino? IS THE judas PAYING OR IS CHALKED UP TO THE GOOD CITIZENS OF THE CITY.

WHO NEEDS SOAP OPERAS WHEN WE HAVE judas, kneelin, AND THE EVER POPULAR miss chrissy. OOOPS FORGOT munchie AND corrupto IN THE MIX.

GOD I LOVE THIS COUNTRY.


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I'm not a lawyer, but can a councilperson sue anyone for being criticized? They're game all the way around. I think Reihner is way off base on that one.



All I can say is .... I LOVE IT ... EVERY DOG GETS HIS DAY ... AND WELL IF YOU ARE A SERIAL PLANTIFF .... YOU WILL JUST END UP ON THE OTHER END OF ONE OF THEM THERE LAWSUITS!

THREE CHEERS FOR JUDY GATELLI ...


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I firmly believe that American society is too ligitious, so the thought of yet another problem going to court is not something that normally makes me happy...but...we are talking about a man (Joe Pilchesky) who has been using the court system as his own personal tool for intimidation (with threats of suits) and retribution (actual suits against those he disagrees with...even when he doesn't have standing in the case)...so in this case I'll put my natural inclinations aside and say TURNABOUT IS A BITCH, AIN'T IT PILCHESKY?

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You know what Curley Joe ... it's not only about violence ... it just could be about condoning the posting of people who used Avatars to intimidate ... it's about terrorizing peoples families ... and not only about violence ... what about when one of your posters followed Sherry Fanucci's young daughter ... and we know they had to follow her because for god's sake they knew what kind of coffee she ordered at the Northern Lights Coffee House ... then they told how she went to her Father's house ... Now that is an act of terrorisim if you ask me ... your posters stalked Sherry herself ... come on ... you all do it all of the time ...

Jimbu threatened to shoot someone with a sawed off shotgun ... actually invited them to his house ... that's a threat of violence ... you own the site you are responsibile ... you took that responsibility on yourself in your disclaimer on your web page ... REMEMBER!

You allowed things to get out of hand and well now you don't like it when someone is actually fighting back ... well my friend get overyourself ... I know that they have changed their
Avatars now ... but the posts are here with the original Avatars ... and if I got a call ... I would give them copies of it all!

I do not think that the lawsuits against Curley Joe are even close to being over ... people are sick and tired of the DD behavior and they are going to begin filing lawsuits back ... I would like to know if I can file as a taxpayer who has had more than enough of my tax dollars wasted by this man ... City and County ... for him tying up the courts when they should be hearing ligitimate cases ... criminal and civil ... Come on Joe I think the end of the frivilous lawsuits will soon come to an end ... whatever will you do with your time then?

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Legal definition of terrorism from Black's Law Dictionary: "The use or threat of violence to intimidate or cause panic, especially a means of affecting political conduct."

Now we better define violence, as relates to affecting the political conduct of citizens who speak up against their government and its officials. I see this whole thing headed for a national splash relating to citizens protecting their rights to speak out.

How do O'Reilly and Limbaugh get away with aggressive free speech? Perhaps they would want to know that they could be next, if Judy has her way.
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Oh yeah kids they are in a bit of a panic over across the hall I love it!

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In my opinion, Limbaugh is a draft-dodging turd and O'Reilly is a sexist bully.

Neither one has encouraged their respective audiences to stalk public officials.
Case closed.




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I read the complaint...someone has obviously been doing their homework.




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Mrs. Gatelli is making a big mistake here. I realize that she was backed into a corner, but she should have done SOMETHING to defuse this situation earlier. That is her responsibility as an elected official.

I have been telling the DDsfor two years that some of their comments skirted close to the edge.However, I'm not sure that "actual malice" has been demonstrated here. If Mrs. Gatelli ends up suing twenty or thirty taxpayers on the basis of a few nasty comments on the internet, she is putting her political career (and public persona) in jeopardy.

This did not have to happen.

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As nice as it'll be to experience the schadenfreude this lawsuit looks like it's promising to deliver, based on the list of defendants named, it's too general. For instance, I'm named as a John Doe (listed as a/k/a Paul) in the suit, even though I haven't been an active poster there under that name since around November. The suit cites comments made since 12/8/06. None, obviously, that can be attributed to me.

Also listed are a/k/a identities of several people who no longer post using those IDs or who have been banned, multiple a/k/a identities of single individuals, etc.

It might give the old man and Edith a headache or two, but I'm not chilling any champagne yet...

Maybe it was December that I was banned, I don't know.

-- Edited by Paul at 21:43, 2007-05-24

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Glenn,

I respectfully think you are missing the underlying point here.

There is virtually nothing that Judy Gatelli could have done to really defuse the situation, short of resigning. Yes, she could have been less compative in Jan/Feb., but it would not have helped. Why? Because in the end DD isn't about fighting corruption...real or perceived...if it were there would be far more posting with facts and fewer postings that consist of nothing more than rumor and vile names. No, DD is a tool Joe Pilchesky uses to harm people he simply does not like. As referenced in the Times Leader article from a day or two ago, Pilchesky in his younger days would 'beat up' people who crossed his path; well as he has grown physically older OR his targets have grown beyond a mere bank teller or DPW worker, he has apparently realized that physical intimidation simply doesn't work in the larger political arena. Thus we have schoolyard bully turning into internet and courtroom bully.

As is the case in the schoolyard, sometimes all that is required is for someone to stand up to the bully in order for the intimidation* to stop. Put another way, I don't think this is necessarily about beating the guy up...it's about standing up to him and letting him know that there are consequences when lines (such as encouraging the stalking of council members, 'outing' the children of elected officials, claiming that the Mayor caused a suicide, etc.) are crossed.

(*) Pilchesky makes good points every now and then & I do admire the fact that he (like you...) puts his name to everything he writes. In every other venue where I post or write on-line I do the same. That said, Pilchesky MUST be held accountable for those same words; if he isn't, then the door is open for anyone to say anything...lie, truth, fantasy or reality...simply because 'they can'. That is an afront to the very underpinnings of our society.


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Well just as I suspected ... What do we notice about these people????




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That's right none of the addresses that these posters have given are people who live in Scranton ... Why am I not surprised!

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Hmmm...wonder how or why I made that list. Kind of bums me out to be put into that grouping of psychos. I never said a bad word about the woman and at times defended her. I'd much rather to have been added to the list of people who busted Joe's balls.

-Art aka Darth Art

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Well just as I suspected ... What do we notice about these people????




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That's right none of the addresses that these posters have given are people who live in Scranton ... Why am I not surprised!




I noticed something else about those people. The addresses are all typed the same way... Pennsylvania abbreviated the old way (Pa.) rather than PA, and no zip code.

I think those names are fake and they are just more Pilchesky personas.



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None of those names are published in the phonebook, and neither the names nor property addresses show up on a search on the Lackawanna County Assessors office. 5 different searches should have hit on at least one thing...

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335 E Drinker and 335 W Drinker do not exist, according to the Assessor's office. Funny how Mr. Van Gorden failed to specify east or west in his address.

Railroad STREET is in Moosic, Railroad AVE is in Scranton. Neither seem to contain an O'Hara family or an address of 72.

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Where is this list everyone over there is talking about?

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From the DD website...

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Copy paste that address into your browser, and it'll take you to a host site where you can download the PDF.

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Glenn Cashuric wrote:

Mrs. Gatelli is making a big mistake here. I realize that she was backed into a corner, but she should have done SOMETHING to defuse this situation earlier. That is her responsibility as an elected official.

I have been telling the DDsfor two years that some of their comments skirted close to the edge.However, I'm not sure that "actual malice" has been demonstrated here. If Mrs. Gatelli ends up suing twenty or thirty taxpayers on the basis of a few nasty comments on the internet, she is putting her political career (and public persona) in jeopardy.

This did not have to happen.

GC



Glen I have to respectively agree and disagree with you.

I agree that Mrs. Gatelli may actually be harmed in the short run by this move but isnt that usually the way when someone stands up and says NO MORE?Usually the person who takes that bold move suffers for a time. However, they blaze the trail for the others who will come later and eventually history remembers them fondly.

I disagree that she could have diffused this in any effective way.That would only have been possible if the people who are orchestrating this assault were actually reasonable, albeit angry, people. However they are not reasonable, in fact, they far from anything resembling reasonable. Their goal is not to implement change, which is a noble endeavor, but instead to assert total control over the public domain to ensure that their agendas are enacted, regardless of the will of the majority of the public. Please let me give you two examples.

1. Most of the loons over there are still fighting the battle over the recover plan. Despite (at their request mind you) having this issue put to a vote on a referenda and losing the vote overwhelmingly by a 2-1 margin they refused to acquiesce to the will of the voting majority.They have instead embarked on a constant barrage of complaints and criticisms with the ultimate goal of reversing the recovery plan. Mrs. Gatellis only crime was having the nerve to support a Mayor they have decided must be destroyed politically and based on some of their postings ( i.e. comments about his wife, children, and marriage) personally as well.

2. The second group of loons is the gang of groupies that have followed Little Miss Sunshine around since her SSD Director days.(I think foam-at-the-mouth Fay is the president of that club).Their only agenda is making sure Jan is worshipped and obeyed.So basically anything she wants done shall be done or else!

So you have two groups who were just railing against all and anything without any real organization until Joey appeared on the horizon.He gave them a banner to rally around and a platform to spew on, in the form of his website.Unfortunately he did not, himself, have any real issue.Refused an allowance to build a handicap ramp?Please!! When exactly has Joey ever taken no for an answer?You dont believe if he really wanted to build that ramp he wouldnt have gone ahead and built it anyway, then fought the good fight to keep it afterwards.I think he, maybe, was secretly glad he got the no as it seems he didnt want the ramp in the first place.However, that wouldnt be a good thing to let on the wife would it?I think what we had here was a person who had an axe to grind as a disgruntled DPW worker.This silly event was just a ruse to give him a platform to wage the battle he clearly wanted to wage all along.It also, I suspect, covered his butt with the missus as to his real thoughts about the father-in-law moving in to his home.I have no idea how Mrs. Gatelli could have diffused this group since they are less than honest about their true agendas.

As to the merits of the lawsuit, I believe it is high time that this issue be debated, as it should, be in the courtroom.I think it is time to decide what free speech is, as defined in the constitution, and how it relates to public officials, as opposed to what is simply an assault on a personal level.I have to disagree with you about DDs comments not being malicious, throwing out accusations about a persons sexuality, (Mellow and Harhut) about their fidelity in their marriage (Doherty) about a childs paternity (Mrs. Gatellis grandchild) seems pretty malicious to me. It also seems to be irrelevant to the persons job as a public official.Now that I have worn out your eyeballs reading this lol lol lolWhat do you think?

I appreciate the ability to have useful and interesting debates with everyone.Thanks Lus for this format.





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1. Mrs. Gatelli should not have to say "no more" by filing a countersuit against the people that she represents as council president. History will most likely remember this poor woman as the one who resigned after only two years after suffering a breakdown. It's heading that way, and that is a shame.

2. She should sit there and answer the questions presented to her. If they are personal in nature and do not affect city residents, she should tell them calmly that since the questions are not appropriate for the forum, she will request that the speaker move on to another issue.

3. I agree that the recovery plan passed and should not be debated unless (a) its terms are being violated or (b) a new plan is put forward for the voters. I also agree that Mrs. Gatelli can support whatever or whomever she wants as council president. However, if it is in direct contrast tothe promises which got her elected in the first place, people have a right to ask her why.

4. All council members should be held to a higher level of scrutiny, including Janet Evans.

5. Regardless of why Joe Pilchesky started this whole crusade (vendetta, mission, etc.), you have to admit that it has been outrageously effective in shining light on what goes on in the city and county. Have certain things gone too far? I believe so. But for better or worse, we will now know most of the truth due to this lawsuit.

6. What is "malice" under the law? Please remember that truth is a defense to Mrs. Gatelli's charges in her countersuit. I feel this was a mistake on her part, unless she is truly squeaky-clean. If someone gave her family member a job in exchange for a vote, it will now be made public. Questionable loans will now be made public. Illegal hiring practices may be brought out into the open. I agree that one's sexual preference, one'sprivate affairs,or the paternity status of a child, are all out of bounds. It's an issue-by-issue thing.

Mrs. Gatelli could have taken the high road and made an effort to explain why she did certain things and how she feels her actions benefit the taxpayers. She did not. She got loud. She cried. She threatened.

And now, she has to testify. This could prove to be a watershed event in Scranton and Lackawanna County politics. Because she has to tell the truth. And so does Joe.

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Glenn,

I do appreciate the logical viewpoint you bring to the board, which stands in stark contrast to much of the vulgar rhetoric that resides at DD. That said, a few things come to mind as I read your reply to IHave's posting (my comments in red)...



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Mrs. Gatelli should not have to say "no more" by filing a countersuit
against the people that she represents as council president. History
will most likely remember this poor woman as the one who resigned after
only two years after suffering a breakdown. It's heading that way, and
that is a shame. I hope you are wrong, I really do. Mind you I don't view Judy Gatelli as being a stellar public servant, but she is far from the demon the DD crew makes her out to be either. Personally I hope that she doesn't resign, if only for the reason that such an action would then validate 'anything goes' tactics employed by Joe Pilchesky.

2. She should sit there and answer the
questions presented to her. If they are personal in nature and do not
affect city residents, she should tell them calmly that since the
questions are not appropriate for the forum, she will request that the
speaker move on to another issue. I agree 100%, which is why I could never be a public servant. One comment about any of my daughters and calm would be thrown out the window. My hope for you is that if you ever gain an elected office (and I hope you do BTW) you and your family aren't subject to the same level of cruelty that has been thrown at Judy Gatelli, Chris Doherty, Sherry Nealon-Fanucci, etc.

3. I agree that the recovery
plan passed and should not be debated unless (a) its terms are being
violated or (b) a new plan is put forward for the voters. I also agree
that Mrs. Gatelli can support whatever or whomever she wants as council
president. However, if it is in direct contrast tothe promises which
got her elected in the first place, people have a right to ask her why. Judy Gatelli is not the first, nor is she the last politician to be 'flexible' when it comes to honoring campaign promises. Should she be called to task for that? Yes, but then again so should other elected officials, including the Holy Grail of DD, Janet Evans.

4. All council members should be held to a higher level of scrutiny, including Janet Evans. Therein lies the problem at DD. Case in point: a prominent DD poster claimed yesterday that Judy Gatelli was basically a slut as a teenager. That posting was allowed to stand. However DD poster Darth Art was banned from DD for questioning the motives behind some of Janet Evans' actions. What conclusion would a reasonable person draw from that kind of practice at DD? Is that how a true 'political activits' would operate a message board, or is that more in line with the actions of 'thug'. You tell me...which seques nicely into my next point...

5.
Regardless of why Joe Pilchesky started this whole crusade (vendetta,
mission, etc.), you have to admit that it has been outrageously
effective in shining light on what goes on in the city and county. Have
certain things gone too far? I believe so. But for better or worse, we
will now know most of the truth due to this lawsuit. Yes, and Benito Mussolini was "outrageously effective" in getting the Italian trains to run on time. Glenn, your reasoning here is flawed, mainly because you are subscribing to the logic of 'the ends justify the means'. They don't. You can't selectively cull, say, opposition to the sale of the Southside Complex (which I was against as well) from the countless postings during that same period that claimed that Mayor Doherty was having an affair with Sara Hailstone. That's akin to someone justifying robbing a bank by telling a judge "but Your Honor, I gave half the money I stole to charity!" Yes, giving money to charity...just like opposing the sale of a public park...is a noble endeavor. BUT stealing from a bank...just like harming the innocent family of Chris Doherty (How much pain was inflicted on Mayor Doherty's wife as a result of these postings? How about his teenage children??)...is beyond reprehensible. In my opinion, no amount of 'light shining'can be used to justify the hurt and pain that this man has caused the families of those he targets.

6. What is
"malice" under the law? Please remember that truth is a defense to Mrs.
Gatelli's charges in her countersuit. I feel this was a mistake on her
part, unless she is truly squeaky-clean. If someone gave her family
member a job in exchange for a vote, it will now be made public.
Questionable loans will now be made public. Illegal hiring practices
may be brought out into the open. I agree that one's sexual preference,
one'sprivate affairs,or the paternity status of a child, are all out of
bounds. It's an issue-by-issue thing. I agree that this does have potential to harm Judy Gatelli, but hey, as the late Dr Hunter S. Thompson once said, "You buy the ticket, you ride the ride". Judy Gatelli should be going into this with eyes wide open and with the full advice and support of a qualified attorney. But before the DD crew all get a collective case of the 'giddies', they should know that their favorite council person has, at least on the surface, a few questions about jobs that will come to light as well. This is politics...local politics...and NO ONE has competely clean hands (well except for my friend Jerry Hart in Dunmore...sorry big guy!).

Mrs. Gatelli could have
taken the high road and made an effort to explain why she did certain
things and how she feels her actions benefit the taxpayers. She did
not. She got loud. She cried. She threatened.

And now, she has
to testify. This could prove to be a watershed event in Scranton and
Lackawanna County politics. Because she has to tell the truth. And so
does Joe.

GC







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Let's see who tells the truth. Joe's tragic flaw is that he thinks anything HE says is true and anything said by anyone who disagrees with him is a lie. He's incapable of telling the difference.

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Sorry for the delay in responding Glen, I was mulching the garden like crazy yesterday and only had the energy to post the response to Jimbu15s temper tantrum before I needed to fall in to bed for some sleep.



1. Mrs. Gatelli should not have to say "no more" by filing a countersuit against the people that she represents as council president. History will most likely remember this poor woman as the one who resigned after only two years after suffering a breakdown. It's heading that way, and that is a shame.

I think it is important to note she did not initiate a lawsuit she responded to one leveled against her by Joey by filing a countersuit.Joey is the one, as usual, who goes running to the court room every time he feels insulted.I agree she shouldnt have to file a countersuit to stop this harassment; however, I am also unaware of any other action she might have taken to respond to Joeys lawsuit.What would you have done to counter the lawsuit and to stop the comments on the DD webpage that do not directly relate to her job as a public official?(i.e. comments about her grandchilds paternity and rumors of an out of wedlock situation, comments about Mrs. Gatellis past as it relates to her personal intimate life, and the list goes on)

2. She should sit there and answer the questions presented to her. If they are personal in nature and do not affect city residents, she should tell them calmly that since the questions are not appropriate for the forum, she will request that the speaker move on to another issue.

I have watched Mrs. Gattelli do just that and do you know what happened?Nothing. The speakers (generally Fay Franus who interrogates people she does not question them) simply continue on in complete defiance of her ruling to move on to another subject or to leave the podium because their time is up.She is then forced, by reason of not being able to do anything physical herself, (such as remove the person from the podium) ro ask for police assistance.This results in exactly the kind of event that occurred at the last meeting.I know that according to the DD kooks this didnt happen under Gary Dibileos watch and it didnt happen last week under Mr. Courtrights watch.Naturally, they predict it would never happen under the Sainted Miss Jans tenure either.I agree, but there is a reason for that, all three of those individuals constantly pander to these people therefore, those three are considered sacred cows. No antagonism would be directed to them; frankly, since those three would never disagree with the kooks no antagonism would be necessary. If any of those three were in charge it would cease to be a City Council meeting it would simply become DD website live coverage. So I ask you how exactly would you as a council president make someone who is determined to be antagonistic to you comply with council rules?

3. I agree that the recovery plan passed and should not be debated unless (a) its terms are being violated or (b) a new plan is put forward for the voters. I also agree that Mrs. Gatelli can support whatever or whomever she wants as council president. However, if it is in direct contrast to the promises which got her elected in the first place, people have a right to ask her why.

Agreed.However, I think questioning someone means they ask a question you answer and thats it.If you, as the questioner, did not get answer you like you may, of course, decide that this person on city council does not meet your expectations as a council member and refuse to vote for them again. You do not get to keep asking the same question over and over so that you can embarrass, harass, or intimidate the person. Would you agree with that?

4. All council members should be held to a higher level of scrutiny, including Janet Evans.

Agreed.I have no problem at all period with a public official being questioned on his/her votes on any official business.


5. Regardless of why Joe Pilchesky started this whole crusade (vendetta, mission, etc.), you have to admit that it has been outrageously effective in shining light on what goes on in the city and county. Have certain things gone too far? I believe so. But for better or worse, we will now know most of the truth due to this lawsuit.



I agree that this has been outrageously effective if you mean among people who are in the political arena. In the political arena it seems most anything goes which is shameful, but unfortunately true.
If, however, you mean in among the general public, I would have to disagree. Mr. Dibileo seems to have stated that he felt his loss to Mr. Doherty was partly because of the general public believing he was too closely aligned with DDs mob. Mrs. Evans comments also point to her concern about being associated with that gang of thugs, she denied being a poster or having seen the website (ya right!) in addition, she denied knowing Joey, beyond a causal awareness, in a recent interview with the paper. Of course she then looked slightly compromised when she was forced to admit that she had had him over for dinner at her home. I would venture to say most people dont invite total strangers over for dinner but I digress. The point is say what you will about the little princess; you can not deny that she is politically astute. I believe we can judge, most accurately, the publics perception of DD based on how Mrs. Evens acts towards them. So long as she continues to deny publicly any association with DD and only uses them from the deep background to do her dirty work, we can deduce that they are perceived by her to be a detriment to her political career. They only way they can be a detriment to her political career is if the general public has a negative opinion about them and anyone associated with them. I believe based on her actions that this is currently the case. Would you agree?

6. What is "malice" under the law? Please remember that truth is a defense to Mrs. Gatelli's charges in her countersuit. I feel this was a mistake on her part, unless she is truly squeaky-clean. If someone gave her family member a job in exchange for a vote, it will now be made public. Questionable loans will now be made public. Illegal hiring practices may be brought out into the open. I agree that one's sexual preference, ones private affairs, or the paternity status of a child, are all out of bounds. It's an issue-by-issue thing.



The absence of malice clause was intended to protect new papers, news shows and the like from constant lawsuits based on their reporting.It indicates that the person writing or saying the questionable item had a reasonable believe that is was true before they said it or wrote it. Reporters, I should hope, always take the time to fully check their sources in order to make a responsible decision before they print a news item.The wild and wooly accusations, rumors and vile spewed daily on that website does not leave me thinking that all the posters are fully investigating their facts before spewing them. Clearly a scant few posters do and they, of course, will have no problem. The rest may not be covered by the absence of malice clause and that will be another story altogether. I think it is about time the courts made a definitive ruling on what is and isnt covered under the malice clause. Yes? No?


Mrs. Gatelli could have taken the high road and made an effort to explain why she did certain things and how she feels her actions benefit the taxpayers. She did not. She got loud. She cried. She threatened.

I believe the lawsuit has nothing to do with her not making an effort to explain her public duties.I believe her lawsuit was in direct response to Joey suing her for slander/libel based on her claim of intimidation, harassment, and so forth stemming from the rash of events which occurred mostly outside the times she was exercising her duties as a public official.
As I stated above, yes, I believe answering questions is her duty and she should always answer questions to the best of her ability. However, being forced to answer the same questions over and over at every meeting is not in her job description.She, of course, can not be forced to answer questions about an ongoing lawsuit, as well you know, and as well as Fay knows also, yet those questions keep coming and coming and coming.Am I going wrong here in my thinking?

And now, she has to testify. This could prove to be a watershed event in Scranton and LackawannaCounty politics. Because she has to tell the truth, and so does Joe.


Agreed.This is a watershed event for them both as you have stated.


GC

I also want to say I sincerely appreciate your views, Glen, and I look forward to many more discussions in the future.



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I only mulch in early morning when the day is going to behot and humid. Everything dies on me by July anyway.

1. I have never agreed with pointing out personal matters unless they directly affect one's status as a public servant. I will never condone it, either. The opportunity came up several times in the controller primary, but we tried to keep to the issues.

2. Let them ask questions. If the answer is wholly unrelated to her job as a public official, tell them so and to move on. If they do not, let the clock tick to five minutes until they get back on track. When the time expires, let them know nicely that their time has expired, and failure to leave will be considered disruption of a public meeting.

3. If you want to ask the same question over and over, feel free. It's your five minutes.

4. Posting on the website may even have hurt my campaign. However, when I started running I knew had more baggage than an American Tourister commercial.

5. As I stated, I never believe an individual's private life should be brought into the mix unless it directly affects their position. I believe that "malice" against public officials is an extremely high reach due to the "slippery slope" factor.

6. She had no choice but to file a countersuit. She will eventually have to tell the taxpayers who is paying the legal costs. This will prove to be a thorny issue.

7. I meant "shining light" on substantive issues, not into anyone's bedroom, unless it directly affects...blah, blah...

8. Even Jerry Hart was tainted by the famous "Benchgate", which was the most ridiculous squabble I've seen in a long time. I wanted to call Melanie's office and tell her to just give them the damn bench back.

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Sorry for no response yet Glen, but I was having so much fun with Jimbu the time got away from me. Now I have to go out. I will have a response and more questions tomorrow. :)

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