Just when you have not heard anything about that dreaded smoking ban ... up it pops again to rear it's ugly head.
A poster named Rachel over at that other site is losing her mind over this smoking ban and the fact that the Mercy Hospital apperantly sent an e-mail asking ... not demanding ... that the personnel of the hospital go to the local establishments and support them since they seem to be losing business due to the ban ... now normal individuals say ... "isn't that nice" however the demented ones across the hall say:
Rachael', '', this, 0);">Rachael Posts: 23 Date: Thu Mar 1 11:59 AM, 2007 Views: 127 Quote | ReplyMercy to workers - patronize city restaurants once a week to support smoking ban This is unreal. Nurses are probably the heaviest smokers in the city. Their jobs are so stressful and smoking is a part of their 'keeping your sanity' process. What the hell made this article fall out of the sky? Let's not all forget that there is already a smoking law that was initiated by the state that gave restaurants choices of allowing smoking or not. That's still in effect. Scranton's goofy ordinance didn't nullify it and it can't. Anyone could have gone to a wide variety of bars or restaurants before the Smoking Ban went into effect to eat in a smoke-free environment. The bigger restuarants divided their seating space to accomodate it. The article is a joke, just like the person who wrote it, Stacy Brown. What's that guy on?
Come on Rachel ... get a grip girl ... they aren't demanding that the employees patronize these local establishments ... it's not a rule of employment ... is a simple request ... and you will either think it's a good idea and do it ... or you will simply ignore the e-mail. It's not like they have to once a week produce a receipt showing where they ate their lunch.
Rachael', '', this, 0);">Rachael Posts: 23 Date: Thu Mar 1 12:20 PM, 2007 Views: 102 Quote | ReplyRE: Mercy to workers - patronize city restaurants once a week to support smoking ban It's just a little political when your employer starts telling you where to eat once a week. What's next, where to buy groceries. It's a good show, but not good enough to crack open the popcorn. We're very sensitive to the games the Lynetts play with us, thanks to this board and Joe. We're a different kind of viewer now, get my meaning? Try being a nurse for a day, you'll need a smoke, too.
Do you have a copy of this e-mai rachel??? Just wondering and if you do maybe you could post it ... or maybe you have it and don't want to post it because it would show that you are a DRAMA Queen!
Rachael', '', this, 0);">Rachael Posts: 23 Date: Thu Mar 1 12:37 PM, 2007 Views: 63 Quote | ReplyRE: Mercy to workers - patronize city restaurants once a week to support smoking ban The BIG DEAL Tim is that it is strictly a political ploy. THERE'S ALREADY A STATE LAW THAT REGULATES SMOKING IN ALL AREAS. This one is illegal and they know it. The hospitals are more loaded with people who kill themselves with their own diet, but there's no ban on eating triple bacon, with extra cheese burgers loaded with preservatives, is there? You can go to a bar and consume 20 beers a day if you want and destroy your liver, but don't have a smoke while you're doing it. How about a ban on coffee, that stuff will wipe your pancreas right out, but no ban there? The smoking ban is to direct our attention away from this mayor's gross abuse of funds and millions of dollars that are MIA, end of story.
Rachel ... did you see that in NYC they are banning trans fats ... it's true girlfriend ... saw it on the news ... the problem is the smoke is not only destroying the smoker ... if it were I would be right there with you on this issue ... but it not only destroys the smoker but they say that it does even more damage to the non-smoker ... so you see you can destroy your liver with booze ... and your pancreas with coffee ... eat all the fat you want ... you are only hurting yourself ... not the innocent people around you ... Do you get that? It's not political ... it's a true health issue! Why don't you go and do some research on secondhand smoke ... you know what I will put a secondhand smoke post on our health care issue sub forum as soon as I get a chance!
Rachael', '', this, 0);">Rachael Posts: 23 Date: Thu Mar 1 12:56 PM, 2007 Views: 36 Quote | ReplyRE: Mercy to workers - patronize city restaurants once a week to support smoking ban Ridiculous, is that what you say? Tell me when the Mercy last issued an email to its employees not to parttake in domestic violence since their emergency ward is loaded with women beaten by husbands and boyfriends all the god damned time? When did Mercy last issue an email to its employees to drive carefully because of all the accident victims it's treating? When did they ever issue an email to their employees to stop having sex because too many babies are being born? Get the picture? This email is just a little
SELECTIVE, ISN'T IT? Please, you're embarrassing yourself. That, or your nickname is ostrich.
I think Rachel tht it is you who should feel embarrassed ... you are living in a me me world aren't you dear girl ... you want a smoke and you should be able to have one no matter what the cost to the small child or person with asthma sitting next to you ... selfish don't you think ... do these people not have the right to go out and enjoy themselves from time to time?
I think that Darth Art and Tim have made very valid points ... you just do not have the ability to see anyone in the big picture called life other than yourself ... oh and by the way ... guess what ... I am a smoker!
What happened to your champions lawsuit which would make the smoking ban go away ... did he get laughed out of court? AGAIN! Or did he never have any intention of taking this one all the way ... I think it is the latter!
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Come on Tim ... stop picking on poor Rachel ... now I know I only put up Rachel's posts which mostly are reactions to Darth Art and Tim ... these bad boys are driving this poor girl crazy.
She wants to know why Tim would pick on her ... she didn't pick on him ... I can't stop laughing at these posts they are actually quite funny!
Here you go:
Rachael', '', this, 0);">Rachael Posts: 24 Date: Thu Mar 1 2:25 PM, 2007 Views: 34 Quote | ReplyRE: Mercy to workers - patronize city restaurants once a week to support smoking ban Go get bent? Not strange to me that you attack me like that and make reference to a 9-year-old. I didn't attack you like that, did I? It makes no sense, just like the article in the paper. The other two hospitals had it right and didn't try to impose themselves on employees like the Mercy. Why doesn't the mayor suggest that to all his employees, or for that matter, Verizon and every other multi-employee business? It's none of the employers business what any of its employees do, where they do it or why they do it. How does the Mercy know if their employees already are not most of the patrons in the city? It doesn't. That's how looney that article is, and that's how political it is. It's a set up by the Times, and the back end of it will show up soon. Patience.
Hey, Stacy. You won't get to write that "other" article, will ya'? Somebody outsmart you folks, again.
I think what Tim was trying to say to you that you are acting like a child ...
I think an employer might frown on a few things ... one could be smoking ... but I don't think they would appreciate one being an alcoholic or drug addict ... and I'm thinking if your a pedaphile then well it could be bad for business ... there are many things that are an employers business ... smoking is one because it may cause the health insurance cost to rise ... so it is their business ... same with drug addiction and alcoholism ... these are all things that are added expenses for employers and depending on the situation ... one employees drug addiction could pose a financial burden to all employees if they are paying for group insurance ... there are many factors to look at why this would be the employers business what you do in yor personal life ...
God I wish I could post over there ... this is a dog fight I would love to be in!
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I'd like her to back up her contention that "Nurses are probably the heaviest smokers in the city. Their jobs are so stressful and smoking is a part of their 'keeping your sanity' process." Proof please? Until then, the statement is iffy at best, and discredits the rest of her argument, which wasn't that strong to begin with. Unless she can prove that there are "too many babies being born" (WTF??), that the ERs are "loaded" with battered women, or that there is a sudden upswing in MVAs.
Employers make requests like this all the time. I once worked at a supermarket where the manager had the audacity to ask me to shop there, too! The nerve!! I bet Verizon employees are requested not to use Nextel phones while at work. Where's the outrage there?
It's a request. Period. Not a mandate. They can either accede to the request or not. Who's really going to know? Pull your head our of your ass so you can take the blinders off, Rachael.
I seem to remember watching a dateline episode, where an employer fired 2 of his employees for smoking in their own homes, and there was not a single thing that they could do about it, he even mandated having his employees tested for nicotine in their blood. As for the number of battered women in the ER, i have been to the er numerous times, with my daughter who has bad asthma, and don't recall anyone bruised or battered there. Third point if you choose not to eat in Scranton restaurants, then don't but she is making a mountain out of a molehill, typical DD behavior, always looking for a problem and never one SOLUTION
Well Ducky I remember that one also ... they did test the employees for nicotine and they were fired ... I believe they filed a lawsuit and lost it ...
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Ok now ... I have been watching it go back and forth between Tim and Rachel all day ... it was kind of like watching your favorite soap opera ... I knew that something like this would be happening as soon as Big Daddy got wind of it.
Posts: 584 Date: Thu Mar 1 5:22 PM, 2007 Views: 17 Quote | ReplyRE: Mercy to workers - patronize city restaurants once a week to support smoking ban
TIM wrote:Are you nuts. Of course it is. There are companies that will fire you if they find out you smoke. I dont't know where you work (if you work at all) but I Know most employers DO care about what their employees are up to. It is a privilage to work. You are not winning this at all. CMC and moses taylor did offer press releases about the city smoking ban commending the efforts of all parties involved.
You're kidding, right? If that isn't among the most assinine posts ever put up here, I con't know which one was. Hit the road with your bull****, you haven't posted a single logical or reasonable post yet. You either don't have the brains you were born with or you're going out of your way to annoy as many people as possible with your nonsense.
See ya'.
But we all knew that this was coming didn't we? I know that I did ... Welcome to the club Tim!
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And who popped in (coincidentlly right after Joe signed off...) but the 9 year old chain smoking nurse herself, Miss Racheal, to post a nyah nyah style post.
Rachael', '', this, 0);">Rachael Posts: 25 Date: Thu Mar 1 5:35 PM, 2007 Views: 14 Quote | ReplyRE: Mercy to workers - patronize city restaurants once a week to support smoking ban
TIM wrote: this horse is dead but when it comes to health related issues, companies most certinaly can tell you what you can and can not do on your own time.
Well, apparently Tim, your company told you to get on the computer today and make a fool of yourself. That because they know you're so good at it? Awwwwww, did you get banned Tim? You know what See Ya' means around here when Joe says it, don't you? Bye-bye. (like shooting fish in a barrel Tim, you were easy - see ya')
That's the maturity we've come to expect from DD, Joe. Pardon me, I mean Rachael. To paraphrase Dan Akroyd, you wouldn't know logic and reason if it fell out of the sky, landed on your face, and started to wiggle. The double standards you're applying today are staggering, old man. Did you miss a dose or something?
Where, oh where is Les Spindler when it comes to DEFENDING the smoking ban?
I love the arugment that fattening food is equivalent to smoking. Even the worst fast food has some nutritional value...all be it limited. Smoking has no value, period. Also, unlike smoking, eating fast food in moderation will not harm the average adult. There is no such thing as smoking in moderation.
But hey, if someone wants to smoke, that's their own business. I just don't want to participate in the habit.
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Who the heck was the whiner at council tonight? I missed the beginning of her smoking ban tirade and just heard her accusing Sherry of something. Then her three minutes were up.
Filed in the Courthosue today: A Petition for Emergency Temporary Injunctive Relief filed by Joseph Pilchesky at Docket No. 06-EQ-6394. Hearing set for Wednesday 9:00, Feburary 28th, before Judge Barresse. Here we go.
That's Wednesday February 28, 2007, right? Who's Judge Barresse? (If you want respect from him, Joe, get his name right. It's almost more important than pronouncing it correctly. No charge for that bit of advice, dickweed...)
RE: Mercy to workers - patronize city restaurants once a week to support smoking ban Tim, you are an f'n idiot. The mercy hospital? Remember the clown doctor from the mercy hospital who spoke at council supporting the idiot mayor? Could the real reason the mercy hospital is releasing this be because they have to support the do-be king? People are losing money and maybe the infusion of cash will help? Too bad that there are no places to eat in walking distance to the mercy and there is no way any of us are going give up a parking spot! Now I ask you the following question - what is the connection between the mayor's brother (who has the same name of the person to whom this post is addressed) and a rather important entity at mercy hospital? By the way that important person is not female!
These two posters are crazy ... no other thing to say about it ... but then again most of the DD'ers are crazy ... the post above seems to suggest the poster named Tim is related to the Mayor and is a higher up at Mercy Hospital ... forgive me for being so stupid guys because I didn't realize just how rare of a first name TIM is ... and well to have to mention that someone named Tim is not a female ... I guess if I had a daughter I would want to call her Tim ... we get that it's not a female.
RE: Mercy to workers - patronize city restaurants once a week to support smoking ban Tim's entire argument was nonsense, Tim. So is the smoking ban, there was no public clamor for it, nor is it necessary. And the fact that he constantly felt the need to resort to name-calling to somehow elevate and augment himself bears testimony to that. It didn't work. Neither did declaring himself the winner. Even he had to know that he was the loser or he wouldn't have to do that. Employers don't have the right to tell their employees which businesses to patronize, they may suggest it but that's not news. Racheal is right, this is political.
This entire argument is nuts ... they are a hospital they are going to back the smoking ban ... what do you want them to do ... put up a banner saying "F**K the smoking Ban ... smoke more Cigarettes ... We need the Business!" that sure sounds like a good idea doesn't it? And you are right they don't have a right to tell you which business to patronize ... and all they did was suggest ... so what's the big F'n deal Rachel?
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I need to ask a question here. I drive by Chick's every day at different times of the day and the parking lot is always full. I've made it a point to drive by Molly Brannigan's and the place looks like it is jumpin'. Mind you, there are a few people outside with their butts, but they don't look like they are suffering. I have driven by Farley's and Tink's - packed. The bars and eateries on Mulberry Street - still busy. I don't know about Whistle's because I never went in there before the owner showed his inner arse.
What the frig is the problem? Who is complaining about the ban since many business are still thriving?
His Girl Thursday wrote:Who is complaining about the ban since many business are still thriving?
According to Courtrwright, only three businesses, apparently. Here is the quote from the paper this morning: "Mr. Courtright said he still supports the ban but is sympathetic to bar and restaurant owners who say it has severely hurt their business. He said he considered proposing a modification of the ban and sought written input from establishment owners, but has only received three letters."
Whistles for sure, Ground Round maybe, and that hole in the wall bar that Joe was able to buy an interest in a few months ago?
I'm sympathetic towards any business out there trying to make a go of it these days...and unlike someone such as Janet Evans, I've always worked in the private sector, where competetion is the name of the game. That said, sometimes we have to respond to a higher calling...a higher purpose...something that may not make complete economic sense but which is inherently RIGHT. Scranton's smoking ban, in my opinion, falls into this category.
My hats off to the members of council (especially President Gatelli) for sticking to their guns and toughing this one out. As the old saying goes...
"What is right is not always popular, what is popular is not aways right"
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I agree. You certainly can not please all of the people all of the time. And there will always be some a$$wipe out there who disagrees with even the most miniscule of changes.
If they banned cookies and chocolate, because wherever I went the 12 people sitting in my general vicinity all went into convulsions or cardiac arrest because they couldn't eat them or smell them, well, maybe I would consider just eating them in the privacy of my own home or in my car with my kids. But I'll be one of the first sunsabi+ches out there bi+ching a blue streak, if cookies are banned just because some nitwit got a bug up their arse. The smoking ban is a good thing - but just you wait to hear the bi+ching when being an a$$hole becomes illegal.
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His Girl Thursday wrote: I need to ask a question here. I drive by Chick's every day at different times of the day and the parking lot is always full. I've made it a point to drive by Molly Brannigan's and the place looks like it is jumpin'. Mind you, there are a few people outside with their butts, but they don't look like they are suffering. I have driven by Farley's and Tink's - packed. The bars and eateries on Mulberry Street - still busy. I don't know about Whistle's because I never went in there before the owner showed his inner arse.
What the frig is the problem? Who is complaining about the ban since many business are still thriving? The owner of Whistles is full of crap that the ban has affected his business. I was there this past football season, before the smoking ban, and the place was deserted on a football sunday, when both the Eagles and Steelers were playing. In past years, they would have been packed. It seems to me that Whistles has been steadily losing business for quite some time before the smoking ban. I think its the fact that their food SUCKS.
I'm not sure about the other places, because being a parent, I don't get out to bars all that often. Brannigan's interests me, since its an Irish place (yes I'm Irish, and Catholic, and NOT connected, let Anti know), but I'm more inclined to go to the Banshee, since its locally owned, not a chain, and their food is great (although I wasn't too thrilled at their initial ignorance of the smoking ban).
I never saw the attraction to Chick's Diner. I ate there twice and thought the food was horrible, and the service was bad as well. I wouldn't darken Chick's doorstep again, smoking ban or no smoking ban. The Glider is much better.
Some of these places - you either love them or you hate them. I'm not a big fan of Chick's either. But at four in the morning and you're drunk as a skunk (twenty years ago) and you gotta have those fries and gravy... well, Chick's was the place. In it's day, Jenny's was where you wanted to be at four in the morning. Where else could you get a plateful of home made lasagna at the end of your early morning shift???
I am not that big of a sports fan, so Whistle's has never been a hot spot for me. I can count on one hand how many times I have been in the place. Farley's was too pretentious and Tink's too juvenile.
I was in Brannigan's once - eh - I wasn't impressed all that much. I enjoy the Banshee on the seventeenth of the month and a wee nip of the Irish. What it boils down to is this - I'm a good cook, so I would rather eat at home. I have way too much to lose if I get a DUI, so I do what little drinking I do at home, sprawled out (if need be) on my very own couch. And if I can't find my designated driver, I just curl up at the foot of the stairs.
Hmmm, all this and I don't stink like smoke when I finally climb between the sheets.