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While I had a minute or two this afternoon, I checked the "over there" board and read a few level headed post by a person called TIM.  Apparently he is a transplant from Clarks Summit to Florida.  Seemed like a well-rounded and educated individual.  The poor guy made the mistake of ::: gasp ::: speaking out against the majority.  And who is the first to jump all over him???? But Granma  -- and get this -- for his vocabulary and writing abilities.  Did you hear me laughing aaall the way across the city??? I nearly fell out of my chair!  Even one of their other posters chimed in to (respectfully) tell granny to check her own stuff at the door before she points a finger.   


I started to cut and paste her comments here, but time was not on my side. Needless to say, I didn't get it done, and now I can't find the posts -- that's not saying they're not there, I'm just too impatient to search through all the nonsense.  It'll be just my luck she deleted the post in question and I'll have burned my eyes out of their sockets for no reason. 


HEH - Professor Granma -- Her Opion, One-Oh-One 



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As always ... Tim and any other poster who wants is welcome here ... so Tim if you are reading this consider yourself welcome here to voice your opinions ... Even though you live in Florida.

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I FOUND IT


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Tim, You say the council speakers ruin the English language. If anyone does it is you. For someone that has gone to colledge, you can't write for *hit. Read your posts over. If you can't see your mistakes, better take a penmanship class. And grow up. I think you have nothing to do tonight and just are using us for your past time. And IF you live in Flordia, and say it is bad there. Straighten your city out.WE  can take care of our own city without your crude remarks.  

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Granma, I love ya to pieces, but if you're going to rip someone on their inconsistencies of the English language, please check a thesaurus or a dictionary.  Your last post was rife with grammatical errors.  Don't give em' any fuel for the fire.


Respectfully submitted



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Isn't that just the funniest thing ever ... I actually saw that post just today at the DD site ... I thought it was rather ... what's the word I'm searching for ... hmmmmm .... maybe I am having the same problems as granma I need a good english teacher also.

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I was reading Tim's posts too, and...well, something just doesn't seem right. You have to take your time and read his stuff carefully. He wants to engage is serious debate, but he gently derides and belittles. Offers no real debate. Says he lives in Florida, but knows an awful lot about the televised meetings (stuff that wouldn't make the paper). And those certain spelling mistakes. Grandma may not be wrong (as much as it pains me to say it). It is totally my opinion, but I believe 'Tim' is another 'LusNewVoice', that is, a fake. An alias. I think Tim is Marblehead or his wife. Check it for your selves. I had some time on my hands today and I checked 'Tim's' posts, and they were all fishy. I mean, he registers on Dec. 10 (the first day the board is in operation) and posts over 80 times in 2 days? Doesn't he have anything to do in Florida? Hey, if I'm wrong, please correct me, but it smells like Marble here.

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Dill, you think that's what Tim or should I say who Tim is ... well ... oh well let's say that I fell for it I thought that Tim was very insightful and well the one thing that stood out to me was a line he used that I had once used as my signature on DD.  "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone"  I should have known. 


It is said that we should be happy when people imitate us because it is the sincerest form of flattery ...



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I can't get enough of 'Granma', especially when she critical of how others speak and write. Talk about throwing stones from a glass house.

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It's no wonder only a few zealots speak at council.  If these yahoos speak the way they write, we could charge to watch Channel 61.  Hell, it could be a pay station like "Haytch Bee Yoe".  They kid when they write about "Da Lah an' Yu", but there sure are a bunch a' Haina's over there.  Janet's head must hurt everytime she signs on.  Hell, I'm certainly no English teacher and it feels like my eyeballs melt from the sockets every time i read certain posters rants.


.... and Dil - you are correct.  I couldn't see past granny's finger pointing. 



-- Edited by His Girl Thursday at 08:28, 2006-12-12

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I am the guy who posted in their forum under the name Tim.  My name is infact Tim and I currently live in SW Florida.  Naples to be exact.  The reason i knew a bit about the meetings was A) Minute transripts I recieve.  Infact everyone is able to get them on ScrantonPA.gov. and B) on YouTube there is a hilarious speech given by a unique and portly man named ray about how Amil "wrote him a letter that made his mother sickly"


That being said, with all humility i admit my posts where done after a drunken convo with a friend involved in local politics in Scranton.  He told me about the site and how they had bad mouthed a person quite close to me.  I was curious and also like any good irish man with a few in him I had a bit of fight in me.  I read some of the posts the following day and i thought they were not half bad. 


I really wanted to bait some of the simpletons into finding out their real motives.  I honestly thought at first that they may pose a threat of bodily harm.  After digging a bit i realize they are harmless.  Also if you really want to find out who they are just read the council transcripts.  These people talk as they type and type as they talk.  They use many of the same agruments and sometimes exact speeches. 


I will be moving back to the area eventually and i look forward to contributing to the city and RESTORING PRIDE.  I think Mayor Doherty is doing swimingly and i am proud to tell people where I am from and that i look forward to returning. 


One more thing, if all the members here went to a meeting once in a while, got up and said three of four positive things in regard to the work of Council, Junior Council (who is really doing a great job) the Mayor ect...it would at least show these fools in the audience that they are not the majority at all.  Praise the U for educting the youth of NEPA, encourage the revitalization of the parks and downtown along with neighborhoods, and ENCOURAGE THE NEW MED SCHOOL.  these are positive things that will bring movers and shakers, like yourselves back to Scranton.  Cause ain't no party like a Scranton Party cause a Scranton Party dont Stop! 



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Well, welcome Tim ... Glad to hear from you. 

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Tim,

Thanks for posting here.

You raise an interesting point about going to the meetings. I have attended meetings in the past, but I have never spoken. This really has nothing to do with not wanting to speak in public...I teach public speaking skills as part of my job (I work in a corporate training deptartment) so I'm pretty comfortable in that regard. Rather, the public comment session has degraded into something akin to NEPA's version of the Jerry Springer Show. Yes, you do get the voice of reason speaking amongst the hate-mongers, but the general atnosphere is one of some bizzare freak-show. As a result, I really don't know if one, two or six extra voices would make a difference in that regard. All that said, I'm pretty sure that one of these days I'm just going to get so disgusted that I will speak anyway. Will it make a difference? Probably not. Will the public comment session still be a freak-show? Probably yes. But when that time comes it will probably make me feel better, and sometimes that's reason enough.

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Welcome Tim. 


  I have to agree with you to a point.  Most, and I stress most, of the posters at DD are harmless, rude, obnoxious and none too bright, but harmless. However, there are a few who, I think, might very well step over the line. 


 It may not be evident from the sampling of posts on their current board but, if or when, the old board should ever become available, read through some of the posts there. I think you will come to a much different conclusion.  Their current board was shut down on them once before for content so they are probably a little nervous about losing it again.  While posting on Chumster (the old board which is experiencing tech problems) they felt no such restraints. Their leader (and head loon) has quite a colorful background, he seems to have no problem getting physical when he feels he is in the right. 


The sum total of the posts on that other board were so vile and disgusting, that the administrator (of this board) felt compelled to start their own board to counter this assault against our public officials and our minority population. (yes, they have quite the little gang of bigots and racists over there also) Our Admin had, at first, just tried to counter the assult on the DD board but, as you have learned, disenting voices don't last long on that board.  You are either the focus of relentless attacks, then banned, or just banned outright. 


Our admin has established (both here and on our currently out-of-order chumster board) a place were all voices can be heard.  We welcome pro and con opinions on our city and city officials. We do not however, allow rumour, innuendo, and attacks of a personal nature. We do engage in a little political humor but that's about as far as we go.  We have ( and would again) removed posts (we do not ban posters) we felt invaded a persons privacy or discussed issues which were irrelevent to a persons ability to perform their duties as a public official.


We are happy to have you join us. Please feel free to post anytime. 



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Welcome Tim - I am the anon poster who forgot to sign in before opening this thread.  When I read your posts at DD, it was like a breath of fresh air in that stagnant pool of swill.  I was very surprised at how long they allowed you to post.  You lasted longer than most of us.


As far as watching the meetings, as opposed to reading the minutes, it's not possible to view the histrionics that accompany the verbage.  Wait 'til you see the minutes from December 14th's meeting. While you read it, think about the movie Blazing Saddles.  There's prejudice, there's comedy, there's a little politics, there's rednecks and bigotry, there's a dance-hall girl, there's a sheriff and there's even a Mongo if you let your imagination run rampant.


You are certainly welcome to come back, feel free to post.  We won't judge you no matter what your o-p-i-n-i-o-n and we won't correct your spelling.  However, if you come here wearing a dress, we WILL talk about you behind your back.



-- Edited by His Girl Thursday at 09:00, 2006-12-17

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Looks like Paul will be banned shortly.  This is Paul's response to Joey. Joey was "basically" telling him to  post nasty stuff about people we don't like and, do not dare post anything against me or my minions, or you're gone.  No dissenting opinions will be tolerated by Joey and the Jobees. Maybe we can get Paul to post over here.


"So the whole "freedom of speech" thing you crow so loudly about on the front page of your website does not, in fact, apply to everyone. " Yes Paul, I am afraid that is exactly how it is over at DD.







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Quote | ReplyRE: EVEN GATELLI's LONGTIME FRIENDS HATE HER NOW



So the whole "freedom of speech" thing you crow so loudly about on the front page of your website does not, in fact, apply to everyone.  You "don't want to temper the passionate posting of opinions, or quash the emotion of your arguments", provided they fall in line with your own. "No one is protected here...everyone is fair game. A spade gets called a spade here" unless the one being called a spade is the administrator.  These are all direct quotes from you.  



I'm free to speak my opinion, as long as it doesn't dissent with yours, is that the idea?



How then, does this message board differ from the way you see the current city administration running the city?



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Another one gone at DD.  "Bomber" got banned.  While that is, of course,  par for the course over there, get a load of the reason (they claim) he was banned for:







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Bomber was deservedly banned. In fact, I was in the process of responding to one of his posts when they were removed. I was going to suggest that myself. He was consistently repulsive in all of his posts, resorting to namecalling and ridiculing other posters. If you want a propaganda board advocating Doherty's destruction of this city, try The Rag, they'll be happy to service you. He wasn't making any legitimate arguments of interest to anyone.


"He was consistently repulsive in all of his posts, resorting to namecalling and ridiculing other posters."  Well then I guess he did deserved it afterall, the posters at DD NEVER  resort name call (How does it feel Judy? You foul mouthed lying sack of Doobie Scum... compliments of Milo 12/19/06) or ridicule (Fanny is quite possible the dumbest chick this council will ever see. Also, I noticed her blouse as well, she needs to stick with basic black clothing, those arms are the arms of a linebacker, she's HUGE. Note to Fatty: BLACK BLOUSES AND PANTS for future meetings please. Ditto to Judy, the political pig. ..compliments of clarks summit luv nest 12/16/2006).  Those are just two examples I found in about 12 seconds, the entire compliment of insults and ridicule would fill several pages I would guess.


Got to love a group of people who are at least consistant, consistantly hypocritical that is...


 



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IHavehadenoughofhaters wrote:


Another one gone at DD.  "Bomber" got banned.  While that is, of course,  par for the course over there, get a load of the reason (they claim) he was banned for:



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Bomber was deservedly banned. In fact, I was in the process of responding to one of his posts when they were removed. I was going to suggest that myself. He was consistently repulsive in all of his posts, resorting to namecalling and ridiculing other posters. If you want a propaganda board advocating Doherty's destruction of this city, try The Rag, they'll be happy to service you. He wasn't making any legitimate arguments of interest to anyone.



"He was consistently repulsive in all of his posts, resorting to namecalling and ridiculing other posters."  Well then I guess he did deserved it afterall, the posters at DD NEVER  resort name call (How does it feel Judy? You foul mouthed lying sack of Doobie Scum... compliments of Milo 12/19/06) or ridicule (Fanny is quite possible the dumbest chick this council will ever see. Also, I noticed her blouse as well, she needs to stick with basic black clothing, those arms are the arms of a linebacker, she's HUGE. Note to Fatty: BLACK BLOUSES AND PANTS for future meetings please. Ditto to Judy, the political pig. ..compliments of clarks summit luv nest 12/16/2006).  Those are just two examples I found in about 12 seconds, the entire compliment of insults and ridicule would fill several pages I would guess.


Got to love a group of people who are at least consistant, consistantly hypocritical that is...


 





 


I agree.  While I'm not a fan of Doherty, I'm keeping my distance from DD anymore.  The lowbrow insults and pure hypocrisy is disgusting anymore.  There's no real political discussion at DD.....its either drink the Pilchesky Kool-Aid or be banned.


I can't believe that the two political factions in this city are divided between Chris Doherty and Janet Evans.  That choice, to me, is like choosing between jumping in front of an oncoming train or jumping off a bridge.  Are there any voices of reason in Scranton?  Its either sell-out to the wine-and-cheese Green Ridge Scranton Prep Lynett crowd, or sell-out to Janet Evansm the unions, and the council peanut gallery.



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I would just be happy if those who have a problem with whomever is in office, would just state their problem in a civil manner. I have poked some criticism at Little Miss Jan because she covertly supports the vile attacks at DD but overtly pretends to be above of all it.  That is just not acceptable. Mary Ann Wardell is in the same boat as far as I can see. I am appalled that a public official and a wanna-be public official would act in such a dispicable way. The hate flowing over there is quite shocking really.

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IHavehadenoughofhaters wrote:

Maybe we can get Paul to post over here.



No thanks.  This board seems to be even more childish than his.  All you're both doing is seeing who can attract the most attention to themself, all the while not taking one single step toward the greater good of the city.  At least he's actually doing something, however misguided and self serving as it may be.  Your contribution is a photoshopped picture.


Seriously?   That's the best you can come up with?


To quote Anonymous, "I can't believe that the two political factions in this city are divided between Chris Doherty and Janet Evans.  That choice, to me, is like choosing between jumping in front of an oncoming train or jumping off a bridge.  Are there any voices of reason in Scranton?"    



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Paul you may be a new poster to DD.  If you had read the posts on the chumster server you would understand what we are doing. 


They have more or less kept their noses clean on the current board, but believe me that won't last. The last time they used this server for a discussion board they were shut down for their vile comments. However, with the chumster server currently down they were left with little alternative. If that board becomes available again, I believe you may be very shocked, possibly horrified, by the vile and vicious comments posted there.


We also had a well established board on chumster. We have many threads of discussions of a serious nature, in addition to having threads which are devoted to having some fun with those hate mongers. Our primary goal is to expose the hate for what it is, while providing a place for all opinions.  People can post what they like pro or con with being banned. 


If you have a serious subject you would like to discuss, feel free to start a topic. You may be suprised (nicely) by the comments and ideas of our posters.


As to the impression you have of Joey being misguilded and somewhat self-serving, that is far from the truth.  While he is certainly self-serving, he is not at all misguilded, he knows exactly what he is doing and why.


Joey has stated his reasons for doing what he does, in his own words on the chumster board many times.  This is about revenge (his words) plain and simple. He is avenging his father-in-law (again his words) and fulfilling a dying man's last request (his words) to destroy Mr. Doherty for what they believe was a wrong thing he did to them.  They believe (god only knows why) that Mr. Doherty was personally responsible for a denying Joey the right to construct a wheel-chair ramp at Joey's house for his father-in-law.  According to Joey that is what this is all about, period.  He could care less about this city.  He has a personal vendetta going. If Mr. Doherty recinded all taxes, handed out $1000 bills out of his own pocket to every person everyday, and paved the streets in gold, Joey would still be doing the same thing. It has nothing to do with the city or any problems in the city, it has to do with revenge, period. 


Please show me one postivie thing that has happened as a result of Joey's crusade.  Tell me one thing that has changed for the better, since he started.  Show me one action that he has accused Mr. Doherty of doing that has resulted in a charge, an indictment, or a conviction.


My reason for posting here has one outcome and one outcome only, for me, I want it known that I was not silent while an angry man seeking revenge, rained hell down on anyone in his path, and attempted to destroy people he doesn't like with rumors,  inuendo and scare tactics.  I won't be silent about this, period.



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Paul, Joe has his board to point fingers, name call, rip certain people up one side and down the other and to TAKE PEOPLE DOWN.


Personally, I come here to point my finger at most of them and LAUGH, simply because they are ALL self serving and are ALL first amendment hackers.  Most of the things you read over there border on the ridiculous.



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Paul,

I don't think you see the point of this board vs. that of DohertyDeceit (DD), so let me elaborate. As I'm sure you already realize, DD has virtually nothing to do with making Scranton a better place. Rather, it's all about demonizing people Joe Pilchesky doesn't like (Chris Doherty, Judy Gatelli, et all) and lionizing those that he does (Janet Evans). In other words, it's by for and about Joe Pilchesky, cloaked in banners of 'Free Speech' and 'Making Scranton Better'.

On the other hand, (and purely from my perspective), this board never claimed any of Joe Pilchesky's bogus mandates. Case in point.... I started posting here to let off steam over what I saw as hate-mongering and thuggery directed at the people Joe Pilchesky doesn't like. Hey, I'm all for questioning the actions of politicians, Chris Doherty included. Hell, I AGREE that city government is too big and spends too much money. However, my moral compass is offended when people start talking about the children of elected officials, when affairs are alleged, when divorce papers are posted on-line, when council members are threatened, etc. (all of which has happened at DD). But while I can't stop others from crossing those lines, I can call them on it when I see it, and I think that's alot of what this board is about. That's not to say that we don't on occasion talk about things other than the lunatic fringe at DD. Start a thread about a Scranton issue here...you will get plenty of well thought out responses and you will probalby be surprised to read that not everyone here agrees with everything the Mayor does.

So please post here if you like, or otherwise don't. Whatever you decide, no one here will resort to calling you names, mocking you, etc.

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And everyone took  my arguments! You have to laugh at the tactics of the DD cult, or else you can go crazy with all their foolishness. They take themselves waaaay too seriously over there. Not to say that we don't take things seriously over here, but we have some fun along they way. And a photoshopped pic is not the best I can do...I believe I suggested that Marblehead could get intimate with a cheese grater...that was the best I could do...But I haven't had my coffee yet!



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I guess my first post was a bit harsh, and I'll back away from it a bit. 


After watching the old man ban me because he couldn't step up to the challenge to show one single thing that he's accomplished for the benefit of others, any others, and then resort once again to insulting my manhood and family, well, I suppose childish is as childish does.  I suppose it's easy for him to talk tough when all that's left of his manhood is in a prescription bottle.   At least his inner rage will keep him warm at night.


I can't believe all the people who buy into his crap, though.  Wow.  Makes me sad for the city. 


 



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Exactly, my friend. Let the idiot ban whoever doesn't agree with him. They can bad mouth everyone till the cows come home, and come up with no solutions to better the city. Zero tolerance = zero thought. Welcome to your new home.

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The good news is a lot of the "posters" are the same person (s) using multiple names, bad news is he does have a small following of mean-spirited mob-mentality people. Indeed, it is sad.


Please know, however, you are welcome here. 


Hopefully at some point we will be able to retrieve our posts from chumster and bring them here.  We had a number of good threads going on various city issues. I would like to have your input on them. In the meantime, please feel free to throw any issue you would like to discuss up on the table. I look forward to discussing them with you.



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Welcome Paul ... and Welcome Tim ... sorry I am late welcoming you aboard ... busy with the Christmas stuff ... but anyway ... I am the administrator of the board ... but here is the thing ... if there is something that you find offensive ... please let us know right away ... our members are usually pretty good about not posting offensive posts ... please try to refrain from the DD style posts ... you may have a post edited or deleted ... but you will never be banned from here ... you are not required to agree with us ... we are open to debate as long as it is done in a civil manner.


We have moderators along with myself that watch over this board ... so let any of them know and they can edit posts that are questionable ... we are a democracy here sometimes you will be asked if you are offended ... and we take a vote ... so please read the rules of conduct ... and post away!


Welcome ... it's nice to meet you both!  Happy Posting!



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I can't believe all the people who buy into his crap, though.  Wow.  Makes me sad for the city. 


 






I don't think there's as many as you think.  There's enough, but the fact is that a good chunk of the posters there are just Joe posting under different names.  The writing styles are almost identical.  Joe's mommy and daddy must not have given him enough attention when he was a kid. 


And the legitimate posters there are dropping like flies, like myself.  If you say one thing that jumps out of lockstep with Joe and you question the deity of Janet Evans, you get bounced.


Political discussion, my a**.  Its a "bow down and kiss the feet of Joe Pilchesky and Janet Evans" party.



-- Edited by Sam I Am at 09:31, 2006-12-22

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I don't think there's as many as you think.  There's enough, but the fact is that a good chunk of the posters there are just Joe posting under different names. 


The fact that most of the "Right On, Joe!" posters have a post count of < 2 is a pretty good indication that the posters are socks.


Joe's mommy and daddy must not have given him enough attention when he was a kid. 


His lawsuit against them is pending.



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His lawsuit against them is pending.




 


  Priceless Paul


 I can always count on a good laugh everytime I visit this site.  Thank you



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His lawsuit against them is pending.





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