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I read this thread...

Pilchesky Mocks A Policeman

...and was disgusted for more than a few reasons, including the fact that the officer in question is being mocked in the absence of any real information.

Look, it's one thing to disagree with FOP leadership (I do...), but I have had and will continue to have the utmost respect for Scranton's police. Give the officer the benefit of the doubt until such time as the facts surrounding the incident are made public. He deserves that much for the job he does.

This is just Pilchesky and his toadies PISSING ON the police. In theory Pilchesky's beef is with Doherty...in practice it's with whomever is convenient, in true bully fashion.

Shari...I'll be on the lookout for your DD posting defending the officer any moment now. Make it a good one. Hit'm hard for me.


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The second that you can be used as a blunt object to attack the mayor you are thrown to internet wolves at DD.

Nice move by Hardcore to show his support for a fellow officer! What a joke of a brotherhood!

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Yeah, I'm sure there was a great reason why an officer had his gun out with the safety off in the frozen food section of a local grocery store. Unless there was an armed robbery taking place, even the most clueless person has to be thinking along lines of WTF.

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Not sure that is the point. The point is could we possibly wait until we hear from the guy before we yell "off with his head"? I mean ...come on... give the guy a break for 24 hours. (BTW I have no clue who he is and even after seeing his picture I still have no clue.) I just would like to give him the benefit of the doubt until we have the whole story...then if he is guilty of being a careless jerk by all means have at him.

-- Edited by IHavehadenoughofhaters at 08:23, 2009-02-10

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You know Glenn, sometimes you really surprise me. For the most part you seem like a reasonable guy, but every once in while you get caught up the DD GroupThink and instantly "logic and proportion have fallen sloppy dead".

What the officer did sounds like it is stupid at best, possibly dangerous at worst. HOWEVER, until we know exactly what happened, why mock the guy? Isn't someone who puts their life on the line as part of their job entitled to at least that much? We are not talking about a hack politician here.

The hypocrisy of Pilchesky and his Goon Squad is thicker than Bon Jovi's hair, circa 1988. Sure, support the police to the extent that they can collectively be used to hammer Doherty; as individuals, they are apparently viewed as being some bizzare version of the "Keystone Cops" by the vast majority of DD posters. That's not just sad...it's f&^%ing pathetic. For the record, I've never had a bad experience with a Scranton police officer. In fact, I've always found them to be extrodinarily professional.

Oh, and where is former FOP Officer & DD poster "Nelson" in all of this? If Doherty mocked an officer...regardless of the reason..."Nelson" would be on it like fly on $hit. Pilchesky mocks an officer and "Nelson" in nowhere to be found. Real class act, don't you think Glenn?

Hypocrisy 101...I thought that taught that in Law School.

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I "mock" the guy because (a) the facts were pretty much stated clearly on the news, and (b) a properly-trained and competent police officer would never

If anybody at DD has confused this individual activity with the behavior of the police department as a whole, he or she is flat-out wrong. But come on. An officer shot himself in the hand...in a supermarket...in the middle of the day...after having his weapon out for no reason.

Truly deserving of criticism.

GC handle his weapon in such a way, and in a supermarket, no less.

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CORRECTED:

I "mock" the guy because (a) the facts were pretty much stated clearly on the news, and (b) a properly-trained and competent police officer would never handle his weapon in such a way, and in a supermarket, no less.

If anybody at DD has confused this individual activity with the behavior of the police department as a whole, he or she is flat-out wrong. But come on. An officer shot himself in the hand...in a supermarket...in the middle of the day...after having his weapon out for no reason.

Truly deserving of criticism.

GC

P.S. Someone want to tell me what the hell happened with that post?

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You got me!! We have contacted sparklite to inform them of our posting problems. No idea where they are with solving the problem.

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I have to agree with Ag on this one. While Glen is correct that Lenny did a bonehead thing, the whole story was still not in the paper. Lenny was off duty and the owner of the store was seeking to buy a gun since he's been worried about crime in the area for some time. He asked Lenny (whom he knows very well) to show him the gun he carried off duty and asked his advice. Lenny showed him what he carried and while he was taking the clip out of the gun before handing it to him, his finger was near the trigger and it went off. It was an accident, nothing more, nothing less. Don't worry about it ever happening again. Lenny will get ribbed for years over this. Thank God he wasn't hurt badly or anyone else. But that's what I was told.

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Well that sounds like a good reason to have the gun out. If I were going to purchase a gun for protection I would seek the advice of a police officer, and especially if that officer were a friend of mine, this story makes sense, I couldn't imagine why else he would have done this.



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So let me get this straight...

...this officer goes out and serves the public, putting his life on the line for about 250 days a year (assuming a 40 hour work week and two weeks for vacation) without an incident that any of us have been made aware of

...according to Shari, off-duty he does a favor for a friend, a friend who is a business owner interested in learning about guns in anticipation of maybe buying one for self defense

...a finger slips, the gun discharges and the officer himself gets hurt (but no one else does)

...and for that he's subject to mocking by a bunch of swine on a public message board, told he should be fired, and has his likeness made part of a PhotoShop by some turd who calls him/herself "The Shadow"?

Shari...do you know if the officer in question has a family? Does he have children that now have been subject to seeing their father made part of an internet cartoon?

As I said before, what the officer did appears to be negligent. However, give me someone who makes a stupid mistake but with good intent any day over a bunch of hypcrits that only support others soley to the extent that it meets their own selfish needs. There's more an a little touch of the ironic in the self-serving posters at DD mocking a man who serves the pubic under what they themselves describe as oppressive (Doherty-created) conditions.

Glenn...I can understand your criticism of the officer, but honestly I am shocked that you seem to have no sense of the hypocrisy coming from that thread.


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Ag, it wasn't just some of the posters on DD ribbing him. If you saw te comments after the article in the Times web site, the typical Doherty supporting commentors were smacking the beejesus out of him. Real cruel stuff. So it's not just posters on DD, to be fair. And the ironic part of it, is Lenny is a pro-Doherty leaning officer. See, nobody's perfect.

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1. What leads you to believe they are Doherty supporting? ( I am serious asI have not seen the web article so I have no clue)
2. Why does the fact that others on the times website are also jerks makes what happened on DD and by your guru Joey Jerkoff ok?? Simply because others are also jerks does not excuse the behavior.
3 I assume you have posted your defense of the man on both sites....right?



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I'll never tell.

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"...And the ironic part of it, is Lenny is a pro-Doherty leaning officer"

Ah, there you go, the REAL answer at last.

First let me say that I don't give a $hit what a bunch of "pro-Doherty" posters on any other website write (and I have seen the comments). In my mind, rabidly following anyone is dangerous, which is basically the point made here about many of Pilchesky's toadies. To be fair though, I've never seen a "pro-Doherty" poster/commentator claim (for example) that Pilchesky caused a suicide. But I digress...

Second, and to what you wrote Shari, I wonder if the response from the DD crew would have been the same had the officer in question been Nelson (for example). I mean how dare this officer support Doherty? Now in fairness, I don't think all of the posters who "contributed" to that swill knew that the officer was a Doherty supporter, HOWEVER you KNOW that Hardcore did. In my book that makes it all the worse. "Support your brothers...but only if they agree with you" I guess is the new union mantra. Yupp, Puzzler nailed it.

Unions have gotten a bad rap sometimes for what's been called "thuggery"...and this is yet another example. I have never been in a union and I (hopefully) never will be in a union, but I tell you this much: if someone I worked with...someone who did a good job day in and day out...made a mistake and then got verbally jumped by a bunch thugs, I'd be among the first to defend them. Maybe that means I know more about practicing "brotherhood" than many union members do.

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I agree if it was Nelson, the DD'ers would be much more forgiving, but the pro Doherty'ers on the Times comment section would have been much more rabid, I'm sure.
I agree, following anyone for the sake of following them is ignorant.
But I digress, since I'm not going to get sucked into a DD issue while posting about a separate issue. I know, that's what this site is about. But if you don't mind, I'll jump in and add what I can to a subject and leave the DD stuff to yourselves to observe and inject into the subject.

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Lets drop this gun incident, it was an accident, there was no intent to shoot anyone, endanger anyone, and the only person injured was the Lieutenant. I'm sure every one of us has had an accident and the embarrassment alone will be sufficient punishment. Leave it alone once and forall. I wish Hardcore went to Law school instead of Act 120. I just wonder who he would have had lobby for him to get his job there at such an advanced age ? If he thinks he got where he is now on his own, he should really go to confessions. He is such a Doherty hater, yet when its time for promothions I never heard of him refusing, or not having relatives contact the Mayor's family. Hipocrites everywhere you look, most of them were Connors people who backed door him to get Doherty elected, only to turn on the Mayor because he is fullfilling his campaign promises to take control of the city from the unions. Keep up the great work Mayor and don't give up the fight, the courts are only proving you right each time.

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