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DOlts at JOey LAnD show they know Jack about propaganda

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Check out this post by Cutting Edgewith regards to propaganda and biased reporting. Hmm compare that to JOey's brand of free speech at JOey LAnD. What's the difference? I don't see any.

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I am quoting from, "THE RISE AND FALL OF THE THRID REICH." Page 244, "THE CONTROL OF PRESS, RADIO & FILMS.

"Every morning the editorsof the Berlindaily newspapers and the correspondentsof those published elsewhere in the Reich gathered at the Propaganda Ministryto be told byDr Goebblesor byone of his aides what NEWSto PRINT and SUPPRESS,how toWRITE theNEWS and HEADLINEit, what campaigns to call off or institute and what EDITORIALS were desired for the day. In case of any misunderstanding a daily written directive was furnished along with oral instructions".

Now posters if you will fast forward from 1937 to 2007,
change the Dr.'s name, you have the blue print of, "THE SCRANTON TIMES-TRIBUNE".

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What an oxymoron.... "cutting edge" quoting forty year old book passages. It seems he/she discovered a book that's been in the Allbright library for years. __________________

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I love this notion that somehow the media is supposed to be free from bias...as if it is the only human institution ever created that would be. Reality check here: every institution created by humans has some bias, mainly because all we all have biases. Do I love everything the Scranton Times writes? No. I think they are overtly biases, for example, towards Scranton Prep. Now because of that do I automatically discount everything in the paper? No. I accept what biases I think exist and factor that into what I read. This all rolls up to the fact that many of the people at DD seem to want life to exist is very simple, easy to digest pieces... ...Doherty is evil ...The Scranton Times can't be trusted ...Joe Pilchesky is good ...Janet Evans is only interested in serving the people Simple minds want simple answers I guess. The problem is that life is far from being simple, especially in this day and age. __________________ Free Speech does't require a multi-paragrah disclaimer Mr. Pilchesky.

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You must admit the similarities as hard or painful as it is to accept. Watching Fanucci's tirade during last week's meeting almost made me throw things at the TV. The disinformation was incredible. What was more incredible was the fact that she did it without her nose growing and might actually believe what she was saying. She's either incredibly stupid or she knows exactly what she's doing. Bob McGoff plays it right. He keeps his trap shut ala Bob McTiernan. He must know when the Doherty era ends, they need to be a part of this community again and not be reviled for their actions. Sherri Fanucci, apparently, can care less what anyone thinks or she's dumb enough to not realize they are using her. Goebbles teachings are alive and well. Ask any political media consultant if they didn't study his work. Look no further than Karl Rove. __________________

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Shari...you are 1000% correct about Karl Rove. He truly loves the Big Lie. Gee, how about that? Consider it a Christmas present, from me to you. __________________ Free Speech does't require a multi-paragrah disclaimer Mr. Pilchesky.

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Date: Fri Dec 14 7:56 PM, 2007

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::::He must know when the Doherty era ends, they need to be a part of this community again and not be reviled for their actions. ::: Shari Hummmmmmm maybe I am wrong here but isn't the "Doherty Era" still going on?? YetMr. Mcgoff, Mr. Washo, and Mr. O'B wontheir respectiveelections.A little strange since "The DD Revolt Squad" targetedthem for elimination due to their close association with Mr. Doherty, if of course,DD actually reflects the majority opinion in the community as it relates to Mr. Doherty and his "era". They sure do seem to want everyone to believe that they are the prevailing opinion.Is itpossible based on the election outcome (and the previous elections which came out similiar) the "opinion" ofthe Doomers and yourselfis actuallythe minority?A very small (albeit extremely loud, rude, and mean-spirited) minorityopinion of the affected public??!! Imagine that!! __________________ Hey Joey?? Bite me! :))

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Ihave, When did I say the Doherty era has ended? I said "when the Doherty era ends" meaning in the future. The DD "revolt squad" did not target Cordaro and Munchak. In fact, the DD posters were split down the middle on the commissioner race. Are your insinuating that Mr. Doherty still has clout because Washo and O'Brien won? Washo, O'Brien, Doherty or DD.com had nothing to do with the outcome of that election. Bob Cordaro lost that election. He defeated himself and nothing else had anything to do with it. McGoff? He ran against a young Pizza shop owner with a DUI case and a PFA against him. He also ran against a 20 year old college student with 0 money. McGoff's numbers were very weak in context with Bill Courtright's. If Bob McGoff was on the other side of the political aisle, he would have garnered more votes than Bill Courtright. The relationshp with Chris Doherty probably cost him 5000 votes. While your fantasy about Chris Doherty's political clout is clouding your perspective, contemplate these few names: John Pocius Kevin Murphy Alex Hazzourri Jim Minicozzi Mark Dougher Carol Oleski Joseph Wechsler Greg Popil John Keeler Mr. Matyevitch (don't remember his first name) Paul McGloin Did I miss anyone? All were picked, financed and pushed by Chris Doherty or they bought into and pushed his agenda. I don't see any title after any of those names right now, do you? You can add Judy Gatelli and Sherri Fanucci to the list, very soon and most importantly "Chris Doherty". If you think for one minute he will survive the next election, you are really clouded. His policies are finally manifesting clearly to the people. __________________

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Date: Sat Dec 15 10:26 PM, 2007

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Shari my point was that even during the Doherty era Mr McfGoff had no problems in his election why would he need to worry about anything after this so called era? As to the list you put forward surely you are not suggesting these loses had anything to do with DD? This was typical inhouse dem fighting. That explains some of the loses others were for various reasons too many people running, poor name recognition, old baggage (meaning they had angered the head honcho's inside the dem playground). As to Mr. McGoff losing 5000 votes because of his association with Doherty?? Please!! Where did they go pray tell?? They sure didn't show up in any of the contenders tallies,neither in the primary or the general. So you think if Mr. McGoff had no association with Doherty he would have pulled in excess of 12000 votes in a four way race? You need to think about that for a bit, then you need to go back and see just how many voters actually vote in any given local race. Shari whether you like it or not the rabid dislike you and the crew at DD feel for Mr. Doherty is very much in the minority. If it weren't he would not have won, not once but twice. Oh and my feeling is if he runs again he wins again. Especially if DeBileo and the Loon run as well. Ifsomeone unidentified at this point steps forward I will have to re-evaluate the situation based on the new name. However with those three... Doherty wins period. __________________ Hey Joey?? Bite me! :))

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Ihave, I never said anything about DD having anything to do with the election. I said Doherty does influence an election in a negative way for his chosen candidates. I think I articulated it sufficiently, if not I'll try harder. If you look at the vote totals for the council race, you'll see the gap between Courtright and McGoff is much greater than the gap between McGoff and Rogan. Factor in that he's a yound man of 20 with no money and McGoff is an established guy (teacher, coach, volunteer at a large church in southside, and not to sound like Anti/grinch, has a good ethnic name that doesn't hurt) with some money and backing from the paper, the mayor, two councilpersons, the party etc., he didn't do very well. Why is that? The only thing I can think of is his association with Doherty. I'm not trying to bring DD into this, but explain it the best way I see it. On the Doherty subject? He won a race against a convicted felon. Wow He won his re-election in the primary by less than 500 votes and won the general election by less than 2000 votes after spending over 1.1 million. Wow. Fast forward to 2009 and after more of the consequences of his actions hit home, I don't care who runs against him. He'll lose and most likely in the primary. (although I agree with you and prior posts from Glen Cashuric that if Evans AND DiBileo run together, they may both lose since they are drawing from the same base of voters.) If they are both stubborn, one of them must run on the republican ticket. Either ONE of them, I believe, will beat Doherty in the primary. I would also expect Doherty to have at least two other people run as spoilers. He's done that before. (Barrett, McGuigan) That needs to be considered too. Money should also be a factor. DiBileo will outraise Evans and Doherty will outraise both of them combined. If Evans and DiBileo are smart, one of them will run republican. The one that does is the smartest in my opinion. I don't think DD or the newspaper for that matter, has much influence on a race. I think both may help some people form an opinion about a candidate, but neither of them have the ability to influence and election on their own. __________________

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Good points. However, I think the 'negative' influence you speak of is not that his policies are a problem, but the in-fighting in the Dem party I spoke of: mainly that Doherty and Dem leadership are at odds as to who to run for opening offices. Personally I felt it unwise (for Doherty) to try to split the party in this way. Not because I am any great lover of how the Dems control the pool of potential candidates, actually I hate it, but because at this point in time they do.... whether we (or any sitting official) likes it. So it would have been wiser for him to try to work to have them see what his goals were and how he felt those goals would benefit the Dem party and the city. ( I put it in that order since sadly that is the order of priorities for political parties.) If he failed, then he needed to get behind the party endorsed and try to build relationships with the current group even though they were not his first (or perhaps any) choice. He then would need to work hard to change the system from a good standing with the party, as opposed to an irratant as they view him now. Politics in Scranton are long standing and will not be changed overnight. As to the money spent in the Mayorial election yes it was tons as it always is, no matter how far back you go, and the outcome is usually balanced on the amount a candidate is able to raise and spend. According to the Times and naturally it can be check for accuracy by looking through the candidates financial/expense reports: http://openlackawanna.org/Doher.htmlThe TOTAL amount spent in this race went over the 1.1 mil point. Not just Doherty but all the mayorial candidates combined. So yes 1.1 mil is a wow, how much of that went to the Doherty war chest? I do not know, but I would guess more than went to DiBileo since he lost. However, the fact thatDoherty was able to raise a ton of money is a much bigger wow and shows that he had massive support at least in the financial area. I completely agree.. the Times nor DD have the clout (especially DD) to throw an election, and that is the way it should be, no one group should ever be able to control the outcome of an election. If, God forbid, a group ever gets that much power we are doomed. -- Edited by IHavehadenoughofhaters at 10:59, 2007-12-16 __________________ Hey Joey?? Bite me! :))