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I've been meaning to post something about this. A thread on this topic can be found at DD, with that racist pile of filth, AntiSemiticMovements contributing several postings.

Anyway, I find it disturbing whenever someone looks at the performance of an individual and then assigns that intent to the entire group. Well, disburbing may be correct for how I feel, but for someone like that pig Anti, it's a matter of consistency...he has to label Scranton's police as being "bad", because that's a necessary element in his "the world is out to get me and my people*" outlook on life. So at the risk of stating the obvious, I will:

...yes, there are bad police officers. There are also bad plumbers, bad garbagemen, bad stockbrokers, and certainly bad lawyers. There are also bad civil rights leaders.

...guilt by association is a game best played in elementary school, not by adults supposedly engaged in civil discourse.

...EVERY SINGLE INTERACTION I have EVER had with a Scranton police officer has left me with an outstanding impression of the force and it's officers. In fact, about three years ago I was party to an issue that was highly sensitive and involved children...and the SPD officer that handled it could not have been more professional, kind and caring. Now I'm not claiming that by extension all SPD officers are good, rather I'm clearly stating my experience...and you know what? That experience counts far more than the dribble that comes from Anti's hole, as that idiot has yet to identify an incident personally involving him where an SPD officer acted in appropriately.

So to those who would paint the Scranton Police Department it a broad brush because of the actions of a small few, I say a rousing F&%K YOU!!


(*) "His people" could be a matter of definition. He could be a minority or "poor white", but I highly doubt it. I think Anti is a middle class white guy who is full of misplaced guilt; that guilt pushes him to build a philosophy that blames others for the evils that he sees in the world, when in fact we are all a part of that same system. Anti thinks that by throwing a few Karl Marx quotes around and painting others with a broad racist brush that he somehow he gets dispensation for what's wrong today....it doesn't; we all have an obligation to make it better, and blaming Irish Catholics, Police Officers, etc. does nothing in that regard.


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Aga wrote: Anyway, I find it disturbing whenever someone looks at the performance of an individual and then assigns that intent to the entire group.

I couldn't agree more Aga.

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Nice try Shari.

There is a big difference between what Agam said about Anti and what we have all said about you and your goon squad. Let me explain it since you are clearly to dim to get it on your own... or maybe too ashamed to admit to getting it all along?

The SPD, that Anti is smearing based on the actions of an extreme few, is not a organization that was started and is being run by the the individual(s) who are behaving in the inappropriate way. In addition the members who are not the bad apples are calling the alarm about the bad apples. Add to that the members would all quit in unision, I believe, if the head of the SPD not only condoned the behavior publicly but joined in the activity with the individuals.

So you see Sharii.. very different than what goes on at DD.

That group was formed by a person who rejoices in calling himself a "bad person" and "a thief". The members (you) are not for the most part sounding the alarm about the bad behavior, with a very few exceptions (Jimbu being the best example and he was hung out to dry for his effort). I am not aware of any members (you) saying put a stop to the racist posts or we stop posting... and worst Joey then joined in with his own dispicable posts of the same ilk as Anti's.

So Shari don't you dare try to smear the SPD anymore than they already had to be smeared, by suggesting that they don't have a backbone just because you don't appear to have one. They do turn in the bad apples, say they are bad apples, and support getting rid of the bad apples. You don't do anything, don't say anything, and don't support anyone who does call out the slimes at DD! The SPD and the few strong dissenters at DD still have their honor. You sold your honor long ago by remaining a willing participant and supporter of "the end justifies the means gang"!

Again NICE TRY but you have again failed miserably to cleanse your conscience.


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Thanks Shari.

This sentiment wouldn't apply to, for example, DD's Bo Peep, who has posted a few stinkers over at DD, now would it? Remember this little ditty, where Bo piles on when Judy Gatelli's grandson is used as a political weapon...

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I got a feeling Anti will be all over this one. ;)

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Read the entire rancid thread here.

Note that there are 69 replies in that thread, and not one of them...NOT ONE...says anything like "Hey, bringing an infant into this debate isn't right". The closest you get is DD poster Eddie Haskell, who basically says that the thread doesn't do anything for the anti-Doherty movement. Oh, but you have Bo's great back-slap to that racist pig Anti, complete with smile emoticon....nice touch.

Of course you can prove me wrong by telling us all who you are at DD, if in fact you claim to be someone other than Bo Peep. Otherwise, I'd avoid trying to point out the ironic Shari, as you're not very good at it.



-- Edited by Agamemnon at 19:22, 2007-11-04

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Selective opinions on lumping, and nerve touching?

Just keep thinking I'm Bo Peep and Antisystemicmovements is that Davis guy and I'll continue to chuckle when I visit.

Can someone translate what Ihave said? Did I smear the police or anyone?

For what it's worth Aga. I'm in total agreement with your post.

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For the record, I don't believe that Anti is Jim Davis...my best guess? Some bitter middle-aged white guy full of misplaced guilt. Know any, maybe with the first name Kurt?

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Agamemnon wrote:

For the record, I don't believe that Anti is Jim Davis...my best guess? Some bitter middle-aged white guy full of misplaced guilt. Know any, maybe with the first name Kurt?



Well whoever Anti is ... I think that his biggest problem is the fact that he may not be Irish ... but has an Irish surname ... check out this post ... do you see what I see ...



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I got the letter, but it wasn't addressed to me. It seems they purposely excluded people with Irish surnames.

Anyhow, the letter is beautiful. I agree with Pragmat. Apparently Mrs. Cordaro hates the ICN as much as I do.

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He received the letter but it wasn't addressed to him as he has an Irish surname! I find that to be very interesting ... and I guess he is not Kurt Shotko!

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Could it be that his is an Irish Catholic who was denied enterance into this secrete society???? I wonder .... hmmmmmmm

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I think sheri was pointing specifically at the 'lumping' factor she continues to harp on - how we criticize the dd people for doing it and then in her eyes, we do it in reverse.

sheri, yes we do, in fact lump all you people together because you show us you are all of one mind. Wha...what's that? you're not?? ... you could have fooled us, because there is no one over there who makes the wholehearted effort to disagree - with ANYthing. No matter how disgusting the subject matter, no matter the race, creed, marital status, geneology or color of the subject - all of it is fair game to each and every one of you. Sure you get the half-assed, occasional "oh, anti .. now hush..." but that just does not cut it.

And (I am speaking for myself here), I will continue to 'lump' all of you into that mildewed, soggy, disgusting, burlap bag until at least one of you -- only ONE has the balls to stand up and say enough is enough with as much gumption as each of you rail on every other disgusting, malignant subject.

That cover it for you, hun?

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I decided a long time ago that heaping is more fun than lumping you all together ... and well this was the result of my heaping you all ....


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This is the cutest pile of garbage i ever saw ....
This is the result of heaping you all together

Isn't it funny how much your posts when
heaped together .... resemble ....

A Pile of TRASH!


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Yes "hun", that covered it just fine and I could have predicted your response.
You see, I don't lump people together here. If I did, I'd have to call Lus and Aga idiots like the rest of you. But I don't.
I skip certain posts over here that are complete nonsense, just like I don't join in posts over there that are complete nonsense.
You see Thursday, I have a choice what to read and I have a choice what to post. I also have a choice to either piss people off over there OR over here by criticizing them. I choose not to do that in most cases. Since most of you accuse me of not criticizing people like Anti or Joe, you assume I didn't, or wouldn't because of who you assume I am. That's your problem...and ultimately, your choice. Have fun.

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sheri, I have no idea who you are and rarely reply to your particular posts unless it is to point a finger and laugh.

::: I have a choice what to read and I have a choice what to post. :::
You most certainly have that choice, but by choosing not to take a stand against their disgraceful behavior, you are in essence, agreeing with everything they claim to be fact.

::: I also have a choice to either piss people off over there ...:::
Heaven forbid you involve yourself and become one of the many people on joe'shit list.

::: I choose not to do that in most cases. :::
You choose to do that in ALL cases - by ignoring their disgusting comments, you agree with them by association.

You may as well just pull that white sheet back over your head and get yourself to the klan meeting across the hall. You don't have to agree with them. You don't have to disagree with them. You don't have to say anything. You don't have to do anything. You don't have to type anything. Just being there with your sparkling white sheet makes you one of them.

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sheri, I have no idea who you are and rarely reply to your particular posts unless it is to point a finger and laugh.

(apparently, you and others think you know who I am. It's been posted many times. Pointing fingers and laughing at posts, means we have something in common!)

::: I have a choice what to read and I have a choice what to post. :::
You most certainly have that choice, but by choosing not to take a stand against their disgraceful behavior, you are in essence, agreeing with everything they claim to be fact.
(If you "have no idea who I am", how do you know I've never taken a stand against some posters? You simply assume you know who people are and make asses out of yourselves)

::: I also have a choice to either piss people off over there ...:::
Heaven forbid you involve yourself and become one of the many people on joe'**** list.
(I've been on Joe's **** list before, but I bring substance to subjects I know about. They put up with me quite nicely.)

::: I choose not to do that in most cases. :::
You choose to do that in ALL cases(you're assuming again Hun) - by ignoring their disgusting comments, you agree with them by association. (I've told people they were wrong, I've told people they shouldn't post some of the things that were posted. Some listened and some attacked me and were *******s, just like you and a few are here. Believe me, this board did not corner the market on morals and accuracy either.)

You may as well just pull that white sheet back over your head and get yourself to the klan meeting across the hall. (There you go Thursday. Now that's what I expect from you.) You don't have to agree with them. You don't have to disagree with them. You don't have to say anything. You don't have to do anything. You don't have to type anything. Just being there with your sparkling white sheet makes you one of them. (Did you just lump me in again?? That's Lus's job Hun.)
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(red text added by Agamemnon, as he couldn't tell who was saying what without it)

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If I may, I think the central point is this: it's easy to claim "I've said this" and "I've stood up to that", but in the absence of proof, those are just words, and on DD, words are truly the cheapest of commodities. The reality is that we all read DD with some regularity, and rarely to never does someone publically stand up to Pilchesky on his board...and if they do, it's usually a one-way trip to banned city. That is unless they are actually Pilchesky himself, simply posting to stir up the troops, or some kind of a$$ clown like "Storm'n Carmen".

Sheri, you want us to believe your words, but you don't want to offer any proof to support those words. That's your choice, but come on now, are you really surprised that that people here are suspicious as a result?

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I expected nothing less Aga. But as long as I get crap here, or see complete nonsense here, I'll return it. I don't come often, but sometimes I need to post, especially when certain people are way off, or just completely ignorant. Knock me if you will, but when I tell you something about what's posted here, listen. Most of it is just nonsense and sometimes posters make complete asses out of themselves. Check your PM's.

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sharilewis wrote:

I expected nothing less Aga. But as long as I get crap here, or see complete nonsense here, I'll return it. I don't come often, but sometimes I need to post, especially when certain people are way off, or just completely ignorant. Knock me if you will, but when I tell you something about what's posted here, listen. Most of it is just nonsense and sometimes posters make complete asses out of themselves. Check your PM's.


Shari ... I think you will continue to get crap here as Ag pointed out ... we have seen no evidence that you give lend the same critical voice to DD that you do here ... and I no longer care to try and figure out who the hell you are over across the hall.

Certain people ... I can assume that you are referring to Girl and myself post nonsense ... yes sometimes we do ... because some of those damn posts over there are just utter nonsense ... and they deserve nothing more than a nonsensical response. I admit that my trash pile post above is all nonsense ... but it sure was fun for me.

You act as though we should trust what it is you tell us when you won't tell us which poster you are (again we don't care anymore and most don't even want to know now) ... trust my dear is earned ... you have not earned the trust of anyone here and I'm not sure that you will ever be able to.

You came here wanting to change this board into a bash Doherty and all other politicians that Joe and the DD'ers hate site ... it didn't work ... this board was created to expose nobody other than Joe Pilchesky ... and to let people know that he does not stand for freedom of speech ... he only stands for the freedom of speech if you agree with him ... we created this place so that we can respond to the crazy rants of the DD posters ... because our opinions had been stifled by Joe Pilchesky ... that's why we are here ... you are the one who needs to listen ... we keep telling you yet you keep trying ...

I don't personally find you offensive anymore as I had in the past ... I think that deep inside you must struggle because it seems you would like to do the right thing ... I just think you have been following Joe and his goons for so long that you no longer know what the right thing is .... that simply is my opinion ...

Try this dear ... if you would not want it said about you ... or done to you ... don't do it to another ... if you want to bash a politician because they are not doing thier job ... more power to you ... but if you want to bash them because they don't always do what it is you want ... then shame on you ... because sometimes hard unpopular decisions must be made ... but your family should never be brought into the mix because you had to make a hard unpopular decision. It's not right and you can never convince me that it is ... I am not a follower ... and never will be ... I have an open mind and a free will .... something the DD'ers should look into acquiring! We here at PD know how valuable those two qualities are!



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LusOnlyVoice wrote:

Could it be that his is an Irish Catholic who was denied enterance into this secrete society???? I wonder .... hmmmmmmm




They must have denied his application to the Ancient Order of Hibernians....or maybe the Irish Cultural Society (hey that would be the ICS, very close to the "ICN").



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Shari ... I think you will continue to get crap here as Ag pointed out ... we have seen no evidence that you give lend the same critical voice to DD that you do here ... and I no longer care to try and figure out who the hell you are over across the hall.

Great, then let's move on.

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Oh I have moved on .... don't worry about me ... I'll move on but I don't tell Ag and Girl what to do ....



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::: ... (I've told people they were wrong, I've told people they shouldn't post some of the things that were posted. Some listened and some attacked me and were *******s, just like you and a few are here. Believe me, this board did not corner the market on morals and accuracy either.) :::

Maybe if you used some of the same venom over there to argue against their disturbing posts, you might have a little more credibility here. You can say all you want about how much you have posted against some comments, but I can't see where. It seems to be the only notable arguments are from Carmen, and obviously, you ain't him.

Now, c'mon - you're putting a damper on my birthday ...

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Sorry Thursday. Happy Birthday! What are you now? 12?

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" Now, c'mon - you're putting a damper on my birthday ..."

HAPPY BIRTHDAY THURSDAY!!

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Happy Birthday Girl ... I didn't realize that this was your Birthday ...



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{{{His Girl Thursday wrote:

Maybe if you used some of the same venom over there to argue against their disturbing posts, you might have a little more credibility here. You can say all you want about how much you have posted against some comments, but I can't see where. It seems to be the only notable arguments are from Carmen, and obviously, you ain't him. }}}


Shari ... I have to agree with Girl on this one ... you come here and attack us ... call our posts juvenile ... and that's ok ... but you do not ... as Girl points out there is no evidence ... do the same to the thugs from across the hall ... you tell us that we lump ... you do the same ... at least when you pointed it out to me ... I agreed with you ... but what you see in us you do not see in yourself ... open your eyes ... admit that you are guilty of what you accuse us of doing ... and I have not said this in oh so long ... But here goes ... "HELLO POT THIS IS KETTLE" and yes that is for you ....

There is much that is wrong across the hall ... but you get upset with us because we dare to question it ... but that is not going to stop ... we will question the disgusting vile posts ... that's why we are here.

And as to Pilchesky and his "movement" ... the only "movement" I can think that equals his power is a bowel movement ... because it also has the potential to clear a room from the stink!

Now that may have been a juvenile comment ... but I somehow do not care right now!

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Ok I'll do the 12 steps.

I love the venom over there but it's wrong.

I don't call them on it, and that's wrong.

I have no credibility and I must learn to admit that.

I need to purchase more mirrors in my home. Maybe that will help.

I need to admit who I am over there, so I can be accepted here.

I need to admit that spending all my time on criticizing the cast of DD is much more important than bringing issues about our city to light.

I need to admit that criticizing our elected officials is nothing more than being a hater.

I need to stop insulting Ihave and Thursday about their posts. I need to admit they bring facinating discussion to this forum and I'm not worthy to be in the same thread as them.

I need to understand Art much more. I need to stop thinking he's bi-polar. His actions must be just simple mood swings.

I need to stop thinking Paul works for the Scranton Times or the University. Maybe then I won't get those creepy feelings while reading his posts.

I need to admit that Lus cannot choose who posts here and I should lump everyone together, since individuals should not be labeled by association. I need to work on that.

And lastly, I need to admit no one likes me because of my actions or lack thereof. I must admit everything I do is wrong and I should listen to only a few people. I must not be a pot or a kettle, just a wallflower who listens more to people who tell you they're right.

FREEDOM! My God, I feel so much better now. Thank you so much my new friends!





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I need to understand Art much more. I need to stop thinking he's bi-polar. His actions must be just simple mood swings.

FU. I mean, why are you being so mean? Can't we be friends? Blow me.

What "actions?"

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Ok I'll do the 12 steps.

I love the venom over there but it's wrong.
[Ok, and your point is what? I love popcorn, but but it's wrong for my digestive system.]
I don't call them on it, and that's wrong.
[You don't get it Sherri....I don't care if you call them on it...it's that you claim to call them on it but then don't want to prove it here that's the issue.]
I have no credibility and I must learn to admit that.
[I'm sure you have credibility...just not when it comes to claiming the higher ground at DD. But hey, it could be worse...it's not like you beat a sleeping drunk with a tire iron, now is it?]
I need to purchase more mirrors in my home. Maybe that will help.
[Go to Target. They have cool, inexpensive stuff.]
I need to admit who I am over there, so I can be accepted here.
[It think we have the identity thing covered already; besides, you are accepted here, maybe not accepted in the way you want, but accepted never the less.]
I need to admit that spending all my time on criticizing the cast of DD is much more important than bringing issues about our city to light.
[You can do both here. You can't do both at DD. Do the math.]
I need to admit that criticizing our elected officials is nothing more than being a hater.
[If that were the case, we would all be guilty. Have you noticed the Janet Evans thread here yet????]
I need to stop insulting Ihave and Thursday about their posts. I need to admit they bring facinating discussion to this forum and I'm not worthy to be in the same thread as them.
[I'm glad we agree on yet another thing (that IHave & Thursday do bring a lot to the forum...I love reading their posts.). See, being accepted here isn't so difficult. As for insulting them, I think you're over-estimating the impact of your posts.]
I need to understand Art much more. I need to stop thinking he's bi-polar. His actions must be just simple mood swings.
[As for Art, anyone who can reference a Warren Zevon song in topic title has my undying respect and admiration.]
I need to stop thinking Paul works for the Scranton Times or the University. Maybe then I won't get those creepy feelings while reading his posts.
[The Scranton Times or the University? That's the DD equivalent of accusing him of working for the Gestapo. Besides, Paul could be the Mayor of Minooka for all I care; why should it matter to you? Speaking of creepy, wanna know what's even creepier? The notion that certain city employees post at DD. For example, I strongly suspect that Nancy Krake posts at DD (although I will not try and guess her identity), criticizing the mayor at every turn...and some of the criticism is deserved. However, criticizing the same system that got you a job, for example, seems a tad bit disingenuous to me. But so I digress.]
I need to admit that Lus cannot choose who posts here and I should lump everyone together, since individuals should not be labeled by association. I need to work on that.
[Lus can choose who posts here...hell, we let you in, did we not? In fact, the one who was banned here was a rabid DOherty supporter (see, I did that DO thing....)...how's that for ironic? Besides, I think if you read some of the postings here, you'd see a few kudos to DD posters, such as Monkey Shines & Eddie Haskell, for taking on that racist scumbag Anti & calling out that moron 'JudyAnd...'. You see Bo....I mean Sherri...it's not as simple as you make it out to be.]
And lastly, I need to admit no one likes me because of my actions or lack thereof. I must admit everything I do is wrong and I should listen to only a few people. I must not be a pot or a kettle, just a wallflower who listens more to people who tell you they're right.
[Sorry to be so harsh Sherri, but you are wrong, yet again. I like you...I really do. I think you are one of the brightest posters at DD. The issue with you here though is that you want something from us (namely to be treated as someone is above the gutter-level stuff at DD) but you don't want to offer anything to prove your position. Sure, I think we know who you are, but there's a difference between our educated speculation and your offering of proof. I think a reasonable person would be suspicious in similar circumstances, but hell, this is a just an interent message board, so c'est la vie.]
FREEDOM! My God, I feel so much better now. Thank you so much my new friends!
[You're certainly welcome Sherri, and I'm glad you feel better. Anytime you need some additional self-reflective time, feel free to come here.]


-- Edited by Agamemnon at 17:09, 2007-11-08

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Very well done Aga. Kind wishes and salutations.

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"$hit, I paid good cash money to have all that footage of me dancing destroyed."

Dancing, are we talking like with a ballerina outfit? If so, can I get a copy???? wink

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