It's been a while since I read anything he wrote - is that post consistent with past posts? Certainly not what I expect from him. Refreshing, but his comments to Anti probably end at defending the white race against the black man. I'd like to see him stand up and be counted on some other obvious issues.

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It's been a while since I read anything he wrote - is that post consistent with past posts? Certainly not what I expect from him. Refreshing, but his comments to Anti probably end at defending the white race against the black man. I'd like to see him stand up and be counted on some other obvious issues.

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Such as?...Fire away Art!...Jimbu15.

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And please, not trying to be an a-hole here, could you make it quick? Gotta get to bed early tonite, I've got 3/12hr. shifts comin' up!...Jimbu15.

Whatever anybody said int eh past or didnt say in the past, Anti is a jackass who needs to stop the racist stuff. I can not believe more people don't confront him about it.

Good job Jimbu.

I second that .

Jimbu good job!

Have you perhaps noticed that a few posters are going the way of anti? Joey seems to have jumped on the band wagon. Here are some examples. What have you to say about these comments?

Joe Pilchesky Posts: 1089 Date: Thu Jun 28 12:01 PM, 2007 Views: 9

Quote | Reply RE: Sam, your summons was sent today, June 27 Savvy wrote: This seems incredible to me that Mr. Patilla is being charged. If he can have criminal charges against him for raising his voice, then free speech in Scranton is gone. Free speech will never be gone in Scranton. Sam will expand it, redefine it, and, in fact, reinforce it. Sam is going to more clearly define what free speech is and is not in a political setting. Most people don't know just how far free speech can go. In political settings, it can go pretty far, and a lot further than Sam took it. In this situation, Mag. Farrell will do as she is told. She's as crony as they come, if not by direct breeding, then by sleeping with it or patronizing it. It was Alyson Farrell who initiated a phone call to have this forum shut down, right from her magisterial office, and on the taxpayer's phone, and while working on the taxpayer's dime. That arrogant and corrupt act led to a federal lawsuit against the DA and the Pa. State Police, which led to a Federal Court Order and Injunction issued by Judge Caputo that basically advised all authorities to keep their hands off the free speech being exercised on this forum. They all got slapped around. Alyson Farrell directly launched the free speech issue into federal court where we came out much stronger than when we went in. Now, Gatelli's blatant arrogance is going to make free speech even stronger by showing that the anonymous posters are fully protected from the things they've posted here. It just keeps getting better every time there's a challenge, and Sam's case will be no different. Sam will use the transcript from his case to file a Federal action against the city, the cop, and the system that's trying to shut him up out of fear of exposure. In that Federal action, Sams' rights will be clearly defined and he'll be more of a free speech problem for this city when they are. Guaranteed. 60 years ago Sam would have already been tied to a tree and beaten to death, practically anywhere, USA. My wife and I would have disappeared two years ago as fish food in the Hudson. Today, we are more empowered than ever by Federal decisions that recognize free speech and what it was meant for, particularly in corrupt political settings. Sam has friends in this situation, more than he knows, just sitting back and watching, waiting for the corrupt Alyson Farrell to make her next politically bad move. And, when she does, the Federal ball will start rolling. I'm going to hook Sam right up to the right people who will shove this whole thing right up Gatelli's and Farrell's asses. Trust me, what's happening to Sam is a free speech gift. Sam's going to take a few lumps on the front end, but he looks like a big boy to me. We have a long way to go to take all these corrupt thieves like Gatelli down, and the timing on this is so very perfect. It doesn't hurt at all that Sam is a man of color. You just watch where baby this goes

Using the race card a little?

Joe Pilchesky Posts: 1227 Date: Thu Jul 26 9:20 AM, 2007 Views: 610

Quote | Reply RE: What Stacy Brown should or does know and you don't. There's no question that Stacy Brown has authored some God-awful stories. Fortunately/unfortunately they were so awful that most people read the spin in them and either little or no political benefit was generated from them. Brown's reputation is now so discolored with lack of credibility, no pun intended, that when his name appears at the top of any story, one thinks to themselves, "here we go again", more fiction. He's the laughing stock of journalism and will never be known as anything but an Uncle Tom for the Lynetts. Shameful for him. He's no proud man when you see him in public, he sort of cowers a little, not stand tall. He can't even hide his shame. His articles have fueled the need for this movement to grow and attack the machinery right in its drive train.

Joe Pilchesky Posts: 1100 Date: Mon Jul 2 9:44 AM, 2007 Views: 159

Quote | Reply RE: Patilla's alleged crimes on YouTube Gatelli has once again compromised the authorities with her premeditated hunger to make an example out of Sam, but this case reeks with "white man" prejudice and the attendant belief they can muscle this black man into submission. I've spent some time with Sam, and unable to say much more at this time, I can assure these "white men and women" that they've selected the wrong black man to play this game with. This black man is not only a passionate fighter, he's a very savvy, intelligent man with a particular awareness of his rights. Sam is not going to bend, buckle or back up. And, he has friends, as the "white men and women" are going to find out

Here Joey takes the poster "anti-anti" to task for using racial comments and in the above post uses the same type of comment himself? And yet never a comment to the original Anti for all their rants to date?

Joe Pilchesky Posts: 1227 Date: Sun Jul 8 12:20 PM, 2007 Views: 1132

Quote | Reply RE: The case against Sam Patilla - cops Affidavit Anti anti, you have a right to your opinion as stated. However, in the future, couch your opinions in expressions for the entire room, and not just for people of a particular color. Propagation is a salient issue, but I don't agree that your application is so justifiably intimate to any particular color or race that you can eliminate one or the other. Your view isn't disturbing for me, but you're clearly advancing a social theory that is racially charged when you address it to "Whitey". Do not proceed with that racially charged ambition. Only warning.

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Ihave...I do not agree that Mr. Patilla is being singled out because he is a person of color. IMO, Mr. Patilla is being targeted because his political views differ with those in the majority who are running the City. He speaks out, sometimes loudly...he is a target. I believe Mr. Hubbard was also, or might be being charged with "bumping" a Police Officer, when the fact is, the Officer actually iniated contact with him...Mr. Hubbard is a person of non-color, so IMO, the "Black-White" issue goes out the window right there. Mr. Hubbard is being singled out for the same reason as Mr. Patilla, because his political views differ from those in the majority who run the City...he too, speaks out, sometimes loudly...he is a target.

When it comes to Economics, Politics, Gov't. in general, the only color that means anything at all IMO, is GREEN, you either have it, or you don't, and if you don't have enough of it, it doesn't matter what the color of your skin is, you don't matter in the Gov't's, Financial Institutions, or the Big Businessess eyes, because with the exception of companies like K-Mart, Wal-Mart, etc., if you don't have enough GREEN, as in paper, not skin color,your'e useless to them anyway...Jimbu15.

Jimbu...

While I don't agree with everything you write, I give you credit for being a man of your word...you said here that you disagree with that RACIST PIG AntiSemiticMovements...and you actually do something about it at DD. That's in stark contrast to others, like Shari, who are long on claims but short on proof/action.

Good luck in battle over there...you will loose...but good luck anyway.

Free Speech does't require a multi-paragrah disclaimer Mr. Pilchesky.

Jimbo, I'll take you at your word about th contents of your posts on Jr. Council and feeling some remorse on using the word Nazi.

Having several well educated and productive black friends, and some who are not - just as some of my white friends, I strongly believe that the "Uncle Tom" label on Stacy is the lowest of low blows. As white men we can not begin to understand the depths at which that statement effects a person of color.

Here's the deal, plain and simple. Stacy works for the Lynetts, it's up to them to decide how well a job he does based on the feedback they get from the people who read his articles. I suspect that feedback must be good or we wouldn't be discussing his articles anymore.

That, in fact, is no different from you or me. If I think you cook me a crappy quarter pounder with cheese, or do a crappy job on my brain surgery - but your boss loves your work, what am I to do? I'll keep my job and you'll have to go away disappointed. That's business.

The danger of the message board debate is to strongly present one side while ignoring the other side exists. We aren't perfect (and I'm far from it) but anything close to balance is what you'll find here.

Read this post a few times. Is there any post over there that concedes anything, offers another way of looking at things, proposes alternate solutions?

I'll meet you half way on some issues, but some are simply out of bounds. Calling Stacy "Uncle Tom" is out of bounds. He is a well educated, highly successful man - one of strong religious beliefs and and strong family values, Calling him "Uncle Tom is pretty much like calling him a ******. I'm appalled by the comment, would like to see someone defend that point over there, and don't want anyone to attempt to rationalize it over here. If you can't see that it's wrong, we have nothing left to debate.

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Jimbo, I'll take you at your word about th contents of your posts on Jr. Council and feeling some remorse on using the word Nazi.

Having several well educated and productive black friends, and some who are not - just as some of my white friends, I strongly believe that the "Uncle Tom" label on Stacy is the lowest of low blows. As white men we can not begin to understand the depths at which that statement effects a person of color.

Here's the deal, plain and simple. Stacy works for the Lynetts, it's up to them to decide how well a job he does based on the feedback they get from the people who read his articles. I suspect that feedback must be good or we wouldn't be discussing his articles anymore.

That, in fact, is no different from you or me. If I think you cook me a crappy quarter pounder with cheese, or do a crappy job on my brain surgery - but your boss loves your work, what am I to do? I'll keep my job and you'll have to go away disappointed. That's business.

The danger of the message board debate is to strongly present one side while ignoring the other side exists. We aren't perfect (and I'm far from it) but anything close to balance is what you'll find here.

Read this post a few times. Is there any post over there that concedes anything, offers another way of looking at things, proposes alternate solutions?

I'll meet you half way on some issues, but some are simply out of bounds. Calling Stacy "Uncle Tom" is out of bounds. He is a well educated, highly successful man - one of strong religious beliefs and and strong family values, Calling him "Uncle Tom is pretty much like calling him a ******. I'm appalled by the comment, would like to see someone defend that point over there, and don't want anyone to attempt to rationalize it over here. If you can't see that it's wrong, we have nothing left to debate.

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Art...I am not trying to rationalize anything. I have to ask, what part of I'm not comfortable with that phrase, and I don't agree with Joe on every single thing, don't you understand? There is also nothing for you and I to debate on this, I am not comfortable referring to ANYBODY that way, and I would never use that phrase...Jimbu15.

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Cool.

That would be nice, but the post would never last. Joe is fiercely loyal in protecting his posters identities, even when they very obviously identify themselves. Addresses get deleted, names get struck, posts are removed, etc...

Jim would likely be banned as well if he called Sam out like that over there, and the thread would be deleted "toot sweet". Kind of a pointless exercise from that perspective.

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That would be nice, but the post would never last. Joe is fiercely loyal in protecting his posters identities, even when they very obviously identify themselves. Addresses get deleted, names get struck, posts are removed, etc...

Jim would likely be banned as well if he called Sam out like that over there, and the thread would be deleted "toot sweet". Kind of a pointless exercise from that perspective.

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I really don't give a f*ck who Cyberlion is or isn't, I just want to know why he/she is not offended by the racial garbage Anti spews, but than takes issue with another poster for basically saying the same things, I asked the questions, let's see if he/she will answer them....Jimbu15.

Takes a big person to admit when they have been wrong, you did real good Jimbu real good! Let those who don't step up as you have done hang their heads in shame. Way to go Jimbu! :)

jimbu15 Posts: 341 Date: Tue Jul 31 7:19 PM, 2007 Views: 18

Quote | Reply RE: Reverend Catherine Simmmons Antisystemicmovements wrote: I haven't called anyone "whitey" in a long time, although I must admit I've been tempted. I merely disagreed with Moosicman's assertion that Simmons acts black. I said that Mrs. Simmons is "very white", and that her whiteness is demonstrated by her zealous support of the police. I've called Stacey Brown white, while others have called him Uncle Tom. If Moosic man can tell Simmons to look in the mirror, why can't I tell Stacy to do the same? I presented evidence for the claims I have made. We will see if my claims continue to stand the test of time. I have some radical opinions, and even the most sympathetic lefties disagree with me. All I ask is that you keep in my some of the arguments I've made. Check Jimbu's early posts on this messageboard, and check the Chumpster archive if you can get access to it. Jimbu used to stick up for me. He used to give me the benefit of the doubt during those early days when I was calling certain people "whitey." I always say that when something happens partly explains why it happens. Timing is everything. Yeah your'e right Anti, I did "USE TO" support some of what you said, like the term "ICN"er", until I really stopped and thought about what you were saying, took the time to reallyread into your words,only then did I realize how disparriging{sp?} that term really is, and how full of hateyou really are, it made me physically sick to my stomach that I ever condoned those words coming from you, or anyone else.I don't deny, or hide from anything. However, at one point, I received a very rude wake up call, and I realized how much much those words can hurt, how deeply they can cut, how far they can divide. I saw the pain of those words up close and personal, and realized that words can do far much more, permanent, damage than a knife, or a baseball bat. I can't change the fact that I once had no problem with some of your views, and name calling, I can only apologize for it and move on, and hope for forgiveness when it comes time to meet my maker. I used to speak alot before I thought, not anymore, like I said, I've seen the damage words can do, andso now, Ithink, and choose my words carefully, I don't want to hurt anybody, only try and help, and even though it may have taken me awhile, I finally realized that I can't help anybody by resorting too, or supporting anything, or anyone, that needs to use sensitive, racial slurs to try and get thier point across. And yes, Anti, you have used the term "Whitey" not too long ago, and were warned about it by the admin. You see Anti, none of us are perfect, we all make mistakes, I, for one, am man enough to own up to them, apologize for them if neccesary, and never repeat them...Are you?

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Wow ... I have not really been on lately ... just popping in and out every now and then ... but I have to agree ... Way to go Jimbu ... we don't really often agree (and that's ok) ... but I have to say it's about time someone called Anti and Sam Patilla on the racist posts that they have been making.

I am sorry if I ever lumped you into that racist boat ... Shar has said I do that ... and if I ever did that to you I apologize to you.

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To Lus, and All...Thankyou for the kinds words and support. Some of y'all may have noticed, that until recently, I have been pretty much MIA. I used that time to do alot of self-evaluating, and soul-searching, and I can assure you some of what I saw was downright scary. I am hoping that because of some recent, life altering expiereinces, that I will be able to look at things from all sides, and at all costs keep an open minded perspective on everything.

I would like to start by thanking Lus, and his/her moderators for allowing me to post here, and offering up a differing point of view. I know when I first showed up on your doorstep I was full of nothing but piss and vinegar, but y'all tolerated my rants, and continued to let me post, for that I am grateful...Thank-You.

To Lus, I don't know if you have, or anyone here for that matter, has ever "lumped" me in with anyone else, but if you have, it's understandable, and I have no ill feelings about it. My Father{God Bless His Soul...R.I.P.} always told me..."Son, be aware, because you will always be judged by the company you keep." I honestly have to admit, that since I started posting here, I have actually opened my mind to different points of view, and have learned to start looking at ALL sides of an issue...I'd like to thank all of the members here for that.

Now, with that said, I am not saying that I am going to agree with any, or all of you even some of the time, but, I will make sure that I have educated myself on any issue before I start any kind of debate, my days of"shooting from the hip" are over. As an example, I have heard from a very, very, reliable source, some disturbing things about one, Mr. Sam Patilla{Everyone's new "hero of the day"}, but I will not post any of it until all my info is locked in, confirmations concrete, and all the "i's" are dotted, and all the "t's" are crossed.

Again, I thANK Y'all for tolerating, and allowing me to post, even though we don't see "eye to eye" on most things...Jimbu15.