I'm sure Scrantondude hurried by, fearful that they would have tried to steal his bicycle.

It reminds me of something I heard when I was in seventh grade
"Lesbe friends. Ho-mo, you don't."

The dude has that Jamaican flag flying in the background and is huffing one a doobie (aaahahahaha - I said DOOBIE). Get your illigal ass back to Jamaica maaan.

It was nice to see Mary Ann Wardell give the what for to the ignorance of scrantondude, though. Reminded me of the way our lambchop used to do the same thing over there, too...

She has done the same thing, hasn't she?

She called scrantondude on the carpet about his racist and uninformed post, also mentioning that there was no way to know if they were illegal or not.

What do you think of that Shari ... Your great defender of the Freedom of Speech ... has deleted posts ... I am glad that he did ... but what do you think of that ... you were pretty upset when you thought that we took down a post ... accused us of censorship ... is it censorship when Joe Pilchesky does this?

yes you did and continue to sound upset ... I have to tell you that we are not taking down your post they are not in the delted post log ... I don't know what happened to them.

I do agree that he needed to take down the posts.

I love how some folks find one thing that they dislike about someone...how they perform their job, for example...and then use that to morph the person in question into the face of evil incarnate. They do it to Mayor Doherty all the time...I question a lot of what he has done as mayor...but I also give the man credit where it is due (he seems to be a terrific dad to his children, for example).

So now we have Sara Hailstone's turn in the stone throwing pit. Personally I don't think she was qualified for the OECD job...and that's the exent of my critique. If she was at the "rally" then honestly, who gives a rat's a$$? I don't care if she was there holding hands with hispanics singing "Kumbaya". Her personal beliefs about illegal immigration...be they pro immigrants or con immigrants...have nothing to do with her performance as OECD Director. The only 'fact' in frank's posting is that he was LOOKING for someting to bash Sara Hailstone about.

Just another example of mindless attacks at DD.

Free Speech does't require a multi-paragrah disclaimer Mr. Pilchesky.

Let's not forget that DD is the land of finger pointing & over-simplification:

...the Irish love their property values more than their children
...you are either for Joe or you are against Joe
...you are eithe for Janet or you are against Janet
...the DPW union president is bad because he settled a contract with the Mayor
...a city employee committed suicide, therefore the Mayor is responsible
...etc., etc., etc.

So by virtue of the above list, claiming that someone who is Hispanic looking is an illegal isn't much of a stretch, now is it?

Free Speech does't require a multi-paragrah disclaimer Mr. Pilchesky.

Ok so these are the people that the Thugs ... gang ... whatever they are across the hall want to look up to ... they put up the quotes ... by the likes of Karl Marx and now come's poster Nobody (Mr. Moran) with a quote from this lovely individual ... I'm sure that you make your mamma proud ...


The quote which he uses as his signature:

"When they came for me, there was no one left to speak out." -Pastor Martin Niemller


Now I will tell you right out I felt the need to pick apart this ... I just knew it wasn't going to be good. Of course as you will see that this Pastor ... this man of God changed his ways ... but the DD obsession with Nazi's ... well I have to say I'm sure that they worship him for those ways .... but this is only my opinion. They call Gatelli, Fanucci and McGoff un-american ... constantly referring to Gatelli as a Nazi ... is it only me or does anyone else see a pattern here!

Martin Niemller
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Martin Niemoller on a post stamp, painted by Gerd Aretz in 1992Friedrich Gustav Emil Martin Niemller (January 14, 1892 March 6, 1984) was a prominent German anti-Nazi theologian[1] and Lutheran pastor. He is best known as the author of the poem First they came....

Although he was a national conservative, an antisemite, and initially a sympathizer of Adolf Hitler,[2] he became one of the founders of the Confessing Church, which opposed the nazification of German Protestant churches. For his opposition to the Nazi's state control of the churches, Niemller was imprisoned in Sachsenhausen and Dachau concentration camps from 1937 to 1945.[3] He narrowly escaped execution and survived imprisonment.[4] He claimed these events purged him of his anti-Semitic beliefs.[4][5] Since the 1950s he was a vocal pacifist and anti-war activist.[4] He met with Ho Chi Minh during the Vietnam War and was a committed campaigner for nuclear disarmament.[4]


Role in Nazi Germany
According to Holocaust scholar Robert Michael, beliefs such as those held by Niemller made even Nazi victims into Holocaust collaborators: "Martin Niemoeller in his radically antisemitic August 1935 sermon noted that the Jews would not be released from their suffering until they converted, Jewish suffering being 'proof' that Jesus was God. The essential reason the Jews were cursed was because they 'brought the Christ of God to the Cross ... These kinds of statements are a result of traditional antisemitism, and beliefs such as these corrupted average people as well as the elite and made them all not just victims of Nazis but active or passive collaborators in the Holocaust.'[7] According to Dr. Michael, Martin Niemoeller agreed with the Nazi's position on the Jewish question.[8]


Professor Werner Cohn, states:

I lived as a Jew under the Nazis in the very years that he [Martin Niemller] told his Dahlem congregation that we Jews were race aliens, and also that we deserved what we got, having murdered Christ. I lived not too far from his church, and his name was mentioned in my home.[9]

One of the most striking exemplars of the pervasive anti-Semitism of the non-Nazi right wing is a man whose record is nowadays often whitewashed. Pastor Martin Niemller, later himself to be persecuted by the Nazis, never made a secret of his strong, racial anti-Semitism. In his Stze zur Arierfrage in der Kirche ('Theses on the Aryan Question in the Church') of November 1933, he opposed the introduction of the "Aryan paragraph" in the Protestant church on doctrinal grounds, but takes care, nevertheless, to opine that Jews had done great harm to Germany; he also indicates that the baptized Christians of Jewish origins are personally distasteful to him. [10]

In 1933, Niemller founded the Pfarrernotbund, an organization of pastors to "combat rising discrimination against Christians of Jewish background."[6] By the autumn of 1934, Niemller joined other Lutheran and Protestant churchmen like Karl Barth and Dietrich Bonhoeffer in founding the Confessing Church, a Protestant group that opposed the Nazification of the German Protestant churches.[6]

According to Raimund Lammersdorf "Niemoller had exposed himself as an opportunist who had no quarrel with Hitler politically and only begun to oppose the Nazis when Hitler threatened to attack the churches."[11]

As late as 1935, Niemller goes out of his way to preach hatred against the Jews: "What is the reason for [their] obvious punishment, which has lasted for thousands of years? Dear brethren, the reason is easily given: the Jews brought the Christ of God to the cross!" [12]



Arrest and Imprisonment
Arrested on July 1, 1937, Niemller was brought to a "Special Court" on March 2, 1938 to be tried for activities against the State. He was fined 2,000 Mark and received a prison terms of 7 months. As his detention period exceeded the jail term, he was released by the Court after the trial. However, immediately after leaving the Court, he was rearrested by Himmler's Gestapo.[13] He was interned in Sachsenhausen and Dachau concentration camps from 1938 to 1945.

After his former cell mate was released from Sachsenhausen to go to America, he wrote an article about Niemller for The National Jewish Monthly.[2] The author reports that having asked Niemller why he ever joined the Nazi Party, Niemller replied:

"I find myself wondering about that too," he answered. "I wonder about it is much as I regret it. Still, it is true that Hitler betrayed me. I had an audience with him, as a representative of the Protestant Church, shortly before he became Chancellor, in 1932. Hitler promised me on his word of honor, to protect the Church, and not to issue any anti-Church laws. He also agreed not to allow pogroms against the Jews, assuring me as follows: 'There will be restrictions against the Jews, but there will be no ghettos, no pogroms, in Germany'." "I really believed," Niemoeller continued, "given the widespread anti-Semitism in Germany, at that time--that Jews should avoid aspiring to Government positions or seats in the Reichstag. There were many Jews, especially among the Zionists, who took a similar stand. Hitler's assurance satisfied me at the time. On the other hand, I hated the growing atheistic movement, which was fostered and promoted by the Social Democrats and the Communists. Their hostility toward the Church made me pin my hopes on Hitler for a while. "I am paying for that mistake now; and not me alone, but thousands of other persons like me."


Release and post-War activities
He was released by the allies in 1945. After his release in 1945, he was president of the Evangelical church in Hesse and Nassau from 1947 to 1961. He was one of the initiators in the Stuttgart Declaration of Guilt, signed by leading figures in the German church. The document acknowledged that the church had not done enough to resist the Nazis.[14]

Aspects of his biography had been played down when America had needed a clean German hero. In Lammersdorf's opinion,[11]

In contrast to the leftist and communist resistance, his status as a Protestant minister fighting for freedom on a Christian platform and his principled disobedience to an unjust regime made him highly useful to governmental propaganda agencies, which turned him into a martyr for the cause of democracy... He was presented by the American press as the spokesman for a different Germany and the hope for a better future...Niemoller had become an American hero...[However], his star began to sink rapidly when his other pronouncements and his past caught up with him...Further evidence of his moral duplicity was found in his statement that anti-Semitism had come to an end in Germany and would not recur." [11]

Niemller himself spoke out on the matter in 1959 in a letter to Alfred Wiener, a Jewish researcher into racism and war crimes committed by the Nazi regime. In this letter, Niemller wrote that he had "never concealed the fact" he had come "from an anti-Semitic past and tradition"; he added that eight years of imprisonment had turned him into a completely different person.[4]

Source: Martin Niemller - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


-- Edited by LusOnlyVoice at 05:52, 2007-06-18

I can only speak for myself Lus, but money and power is not my God like Chris Doherty. Along comes a man with a jaded past and admits it numerous times in posts. He doesn't make excuses about his past and doesn't make excuses about his actions. He just does it. I don't worship anyone but my God, but I can admire someone with the guts to finally fight the politicians, all of us complain about our whole lives. It's that simple to me. There's a destination I want to get to. Joe and YOU are providing the vehicle to get me there. (get my thoughts and opinions out beyond my family and friends)
As far as the post about Neimoeller. Nice job. I didn't know much about he Pastor. Good read. At least he saw the light eventually. Nice analogy about what I do. Some are in the dark around here. If enough gets out about our political problems (corrupt politicians) maybe people could change the way we do things and/or vote.

I was only in the company of Morris Jackson a few times. I've never even met Stacy Brown, but I presume him to be the gentleman seen propping the walls up at council meetings, pen and pad in hand.

I find it funny how when the black man (no matter which black man) is serving their purpose to the black community, they are thumped on the back and those bull$hit handshakes are flying,

but disagree once -- just once -- or be seen with or spend more than a few minutes with some creamora-type people in the latte set, and all hell breaks loose in Anti's little bubble. They are all of a sudden whiter than white, lilly white, white bread cracker wannabees.

I'll tell you, and this is MY inner racist shining through, I would rather have a dozen Stacy Browns, Jim Williams' and Morris Jacksons in my life, than to have to put up with the disrespectful, foul-mouthed, ebonics-speaking trash who have been dragging their sorry asses through my neighborhood. And while you're at it -- PICK UP YOUR PANTS !

Sure - and Janet had the clanging brass balls to actually use the term ni99er in one of her posts -- and not only was that particular post NOT edited or deleted, that sumbitch was copied numerous times in the thread for all the world to see.

Nice - real nice. I feel the need to add a disclaimer because I quote a word from another racist poster from across the hall and this bitch just puts it right out there. She must be a distant cousin to fitty cent

He is a very bitter little man ... you hit that nail right on the head Paul (No Dave nobody has threatend you it is simply a saying)!

Antisystemicmovements Posts: 1129 Date: Tue Jul 10 11:37 AM, 2007 Views: 611

Quote | Reply Mark dougher already a poor script reader Rather than putting up a sign that says, "No BLACKS", they institute fees that most blacks can't afford. Rather than saying "We don't want black people in Scranton," Doherty and Wayne Evans say, " We don't want RENTERS" and "We want more home owners." Doherty's strategy of whitening Scranton is to let 'the market' take its course: Black people are typically poor, and they typically can't get a loan. It's ok for upper/middle-class whites to RENT yuppie lofts in the downtown and in certain neighborhoods. But it's not ok for poor blacks to rent in South Side. Dougher's comment is senseless and irresponsible. I wrote to Janet that if a large number of students can't afford lunch everyday-- and the government thus provides it for them-- how the hell are they going to afford to swim? __________________ Men make their own history, but they do not make it just as they please...but under circumstances... trasmitted from the past. The tradition of all the dead generations weighs like a nightmare on the brain of the living. -- Karl Marx

I don't think that anyone has said that they don't want blacks in the pools ... Anti you are a nut to the first degree ... what they are saying is that they don't want people who are going to cause trouble in the pools ... no matter what color they happen to be ... when did they call you up and say that they do not want black children or any people of color in the pool ... because if they did that then you would have a hell of a lawsuit now wouldn't you!


And are you trying to say that black people can not own homes in Scranton? I have to say that my neighbors (very good neighbors might I add) are black and they have a lovely family and guess what ... they own their home ... they put a lot of work into what was once a dump and made an improvement to our neighborhood ... they work very hard ... they are not poor ... and they have a beautiful home that they own ... so what are you trying to say Anti?

Is there a rule that says black people will not be able to rent the lofts downtown ... if so again I would say that you have a hell of a lawsuit there if that's true.

You want a race war ... that's what you want ... that's all you want ... it's very evident when you speak at council ... you want the world given to you on a silver platter ... you hate for the sake of hating ... You continually claim that black children somehow get a different education than that of the white students ... how can that be ... when they sit in the same classroom? Is the teacher staniding in the front of the room teaching in different styles for one group as opposed to another ... do black children receive different textbooks than the white students ... you are the biggest racist that I have ever had the displeasure of knowing of ...

How about you ... you would drive out the Irish if given the chance ... are you not guilty of the same sins you accuse others of? How would you treat Irish children ... red headed ... freckled ... green/blue eyed ... would you treat them the same as other children ... I don't think so ...

I am Irish ... I grew up very poor ... we had nothing ... yet we had everything ... because we had good parents ... law abbiding parents who taught us a valuable lesson in life ... if we broke the law they were not going to be there to bail us out ... we would have had to pay for our actions ... but they let us know that no matter what we would ever do they would still love us ... they just would not enable us ... they never let us feel sorry for ourselves ... and they never let us envy what others had ... and why ... because maybe we had something that they did not ... a good home life ... good parents ... so what if we had no material objects ... it didn't matter.

Maybe you should all begin to look at what it is you have in life rather than continually looking at what you don't have ... and then and only then will you begin to live life to the fullest ... instead of always saying "why me ... Lord ... why me?" try for one time looking at it as "Lord ... why not me?" There are people who have it worse than you always ... and that's something that you need to learn in life Anti ... until then you will always be a pathetic lost soul.

Sorry for the ramble guys ... it's been a while though!