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Looks like we're picking on little kids again over there. Look at some of the comments about him being breast fed, check out some of the posters names, drug references, etc. Just a nasty, sick, and now jealous of a 16 year old group of psychos. God help us all.

Loonies blast a 16 year old at DD.com

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Awful..........just awful.

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Bunch of real tough guys over there, huh? What are they going to do for an encore, head down to South Intermediate and steal lunch money?

Personally, I think it's jealousy, plain and simple. They don't like the fact that young Mr Miller dresses well, they don't like the fact that he can put a few sentences together and speak to council in a coherent manner and they certainly don't like the attention he is getting (All the attention should be focused on them I guess).

The entire thread shows many of the DD posters for who they really are: trash.

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In my opinion. you people took the bait again. Notice the "new" posters chiming in on this thread? These are DOherty people folks, building their case against this site. I can see it now, "child attacked on anti-DOherty web site". Joe, this board has been infiltrated by the other side and they're playing it like a fiddle.
Hey world, here's Peep's opinion: This thread is nothing more than an attempt by the anti-dd.com people to discredit this movement! Very DOherty/Gibby/LIEnett/-esque.

Now, if you go over and read the thread, there are maybe 3 new posters, which I am sure are people with more than one screen name, I think your stretching it here peep.In my opinion..

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Now, wait a second...

1. Doug is 17. No matter what his mom says, he is not a child in the way she is inferring.

2. Doug chose to become involved with Scranton politics, which is a nasty business to begin with.

3. Doug does not pull punches with his comments made both at meetings and to the newspaper.

However, I disagree (again) with the personal attacks on his dress, hismannerisms, and/or his social life. They have nothing at all to do with his involvement in the political arena.

The "Junior Council" is a poorly-planned idea that should never have occurred. The council, that bastion of mature behavior,should have formally launched a youth organization and involved it both in political events and community activities without making it seem like some quasi-governmental entity.

Doug has offered his opinion, under the auspices of being "president" of theJC,on various occasions, and sometimes he comes across as a little condescending.However, I give him credit not only for taking an interest in government and the community, but also for the many charitable projects in which he has participated and/or taken a lead.

That said, when he crosses the line, he opens himself up to criticism, but it should be constructive criticism, done in a reasonable manner.

I also believe that many of the posts on DD taking cheap shots at Doug are not the usual DD posters. Too convenient.

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Bunch of real tough guys over there, huh? What are they going to do for an encore, head down to South Intermediate and steal lunch money?


Never happen, lest Anti accuse them of a racially motivated attack. Don't forget, South Side is apparently a hotbed of racial tension. There are ethnic children attending South Intermediate. We're a tinderbox of potential race riots, the likes of which Watts, Cincinnatti, Newark, and Detroit have never seen, right Mr. Davis? weirdface EVERYTHING in this town is played from the race card, isn't it?



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Glenn Cashuric wrote:

I also believe that many of the posts on DD taking cheap shots at Doug are not the usual DD posters. Too convenient.

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These two are regulars and the hatred they are spewing is typical DD. I don't expect Fay (aquamg) to act like a civilized human being so I quess this is no suprise, however the other one likes to try and put on a good front. I wonder what would happen if this poster is found to be the Sainted Miss Jan bashing children might be a bit hard for her to explain given that she is supposed to be a teacher.

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Bo why the sudden protection of this kid who is abusive and certainly knows what he is saying every week to defend Judy Gatelli--and does not think twice about putting adults down--he is a child perhaps but he asked to be in an adult world by partaking of being a speaker at council--here is how I see it--he has hurt Junior Council tremendously--by not representing what a junior council should be ! When he speaks he does not ask government questions--he does not inquire of how procedures are handled or how rules in government apply to certain issues--he simply ridicules people who attack Mrs. Gatelli--which by the way we, as taxpayers have every single right to do ,and points out how HE FEELS people should speak and how they should respect Mrs. Gatelli-- It is so blantedly obvious that Doug Miller is there to do their bidding and will continue to do so--so are we to say nothing and allow Judy to have HER little Junior council president talkher talk and walk her walk for HERfrom the speaker's side of the microphone..Doug Miller will not stop doing her dirty work--what will it take-- if he is allowed to continue speaking his vile unresepctful messages to adults-- he is certainly doing the junior council a complete disservice-- he is positively not speaking for the children of this city when he is always critizing everyone--I doubt very highly that any of the other children on junior council would ever act like him or speak like him--Every time a junior council memeber spoke with was with much intelligence and they were there for good reasons unlike Doug who always had Judy Gatelli's agenda to get pushed through via speaking at meetings under the guise of being the president of junior council--and by the way Bo--shall we get into how he became President--care to go there--that should be made public--it falls under the same heading as everything Judy Gatelli does completely UNDERHANDED-enough is enough and this CHILD does not--deserve any respect or softness from us--when he is willing to go every week and take us to task for "our actions!" He does not get a pass --he does not get out of jail free card-- he does not deserve it--he started this a long time ago and has gotten a free ride of blasting everyone --time is up--and no BO he is only a child but children need to be told how to behave-- he should be removed from that position of the presidency because he has disgraced the whole body of junior council--and what they should stand for--they need a fresh start to do what they were brought there to do-but remember he was Judy's boy from the get go and she protects him as though he were hers-- they are of the same cloth--child or no child--he has to take responsibility for his words and actions--he will become her when he is old enough to vote--and no doubt will run for election--he is exactly what we do no tneed in thi scity running any aprt of our city--he isevery bit as politically connected as they are --only on a smaller scale--how sad to have a boy shaped into yet another political crony--wow-- this is a whole new low on Gatellis part--Judy is shaping him alright-- into a future Scranton wheeeler dealer political machine-- and just look at how old he is and he is already doing what we despise in governement-and Bo--he is a chiild--SO WHAT--then he needs to learn what my child has learned--when to keep their mouth shut and when to speak and to respect their elders-- Doug Miller demand special treatment-and guess what HE GETS IT-- hmm sure makes one wonder does it not-- Judy keeps him close to her side and he is not going anywhere--he is glued to her--and that is not right-- so think as you will I say Doug Miller is not what a represntative of a junior council should be--no where near --someone needs to take over his position and soon--but Judy would never allow that because who would speak for her then--any other child would not even consider it--why? Becase THEY know better and THEY want to do what is best for this city and THEY want to do what a real junior council person should do and brava tothem-I only wish they would stand up to Doug-this Judy Gatelli wannabe Bully

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This "young boy" you speak of is a 16-or-17-year-old young adult who just happens to be President of the Junior Council of the City of Scranton. He is the political leaderof a group ofyoungpeers who observe hisprofessional conduct weekly so that they may do so accordingly within Council chambers.Mr. Millerappears atcouncil meetingswell-coiffed, well-versed, with a growing semblance of how government works.

AND THEN HE OPENS HIS MOUTH. READ HIS TRANSCRIPTS. Please. Hehas beenrude and disrespectful to the people of Scranton who are much more astute and seasonedpolitically -- I won't even address being respectful to your elders (that should be a given).

Where is his mentor? Why isPresident Gatelli, in her quest for DECORUM,notoverseeing her protege, the President of Junior Council?

I fully expect the pro-Doherty people to ridicule and/or admonish those who chastise Mr. Miller for his impertinence. Actually, I would expect nothing less, would you?



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Do any of you feel that Fay's post was not written by her, it seems to long for her and well sort of Janetesque.

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justducky wrote:

Do any of you feel that Fay's post was not written by her, it seems to long for her and well sort of Janetesque.



Wouldn't suprise me. Of course that was the story back when the princess was on the school board, it was widely believed that she wrote all of Fay's rants? speeches? whatever you want to call them.



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Agamemnon wrote: Bunch of real tough guys over there, huh? What are they going to do for an encore, head down to South Intermediate and steal lunch money?Never happen, lest Anti accuse them of a racially motivated attack. Don't forget, South Side is apparently a hotbed of racial tension. There are ethnic children attending South Intermediate. We're a tinderbox of potential race riots, the likes of which Watts, Cincinnatti, Newark, and Detroit have never seen, right Mr. Davis? weirdface EVERYTHING in this town is played from the race card, isn't it?


Maybe I'm missing something, but my youngest daughter is leaving South Intermediate this year and between her and her two sisters I can't EVER RECALL anything indicative of a 'hotbed of racial tension' at the school. In fact, about the only hotbed of racial tension in this area appears to be in Antisemiticmovements narrow-minded little head.

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Jesus H - somebody slip that woman a prozak or something. Her rants are the reason I tape the meetings - just so I can fast-forward through them. Now, my poor scroll button is smoking on me. Blah blah blah ...

The rambling of the post wreaks of Fay and the drone of it stinks of Janet. Janet probably gave her the gist and Fay, in her infinite wisdom and grammatical superiority chose to blather on and on. We get it Fay - you don't like Doug Miller. But at least the boy is civic-minded and shows an interest in his city and government. Lighten the frig UP, already.

What did YOUR kids do Fay? Much of anything? No, I'm not going to talk about your kids, because we don't do that here. But I do happen to remember overhearing your next door neighbor's hairdresser telling a story SHE overheard up at The Dome about some guy who went to a certain college party where they told tales of a bottle of shampoo being laced with Nair. You taught them well, Fay. You taught them well.

Again, I can't prove any of this until the papers are filed, but my quasi-reliable sources tell me .....


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...I can't EVER RECALL anything indicative of a 'hotbed of racial tension' at the school. In fact, about the only hotbed of racial tension in this area appears to be in Antisemiticmovements narrow-minded little head.

Exactly. My response that you quoted wasstill making fun of Anti's claim that South Side "has serious racial tensions". I've lived in South Side for most of my life, and I've not seen this "tension" either.



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Agamemnon wrote: ...I can't EVER RECALL anything indicative of a 'hotbed of racial tension' at the school. In fact, about the only hotbed of racial tension in this area appears to be in Antisemiticmovements narrow-minded little head.Exactly. My response that you quoted wasstill making fun of Anti's claim that South Side "has serious racial tensions". I've lived in South Side for most of my life, and I've not seen this "tension" either.


Paul, I know...I just couldn't resist the urge to yet again call-out Anti for being the racist swine that is; bad set-up to the punchline on my part.

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This thread absolutely takes the cake as the worst at DD. Even though most threads are inappropriate over there, dragging a kid through the mud is even worse. And even the blonde bimbo English teacher is in on the act, blasting a kid. Doug Miller is doing something positive. he's not out smoking, doing drugs, and spraying graffiti. He's not walking around with baggy pants hanging off of his ass with his underwear hanging out, wearing his hat ****eyes and flashing gang signs. We need more teenagers like him in this town. Why not bitch about the degenerate teens who are out causing trouble, vandalizing city playgrounds and little league fields, and smoking? No, at DD they blast kids who on the straight and narrow and trying to be good citizens, merely for disagreeing with their political agenda and calling a spade a spade.

I hope these degenerate DD scumbags are outed for who they are. I would love to see Janet Almighty's political career go down the tubes after she is outed for her posts on that site.

What goes around, comes around, and it will bite DD in the ass sooner or later.

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::: ... Why not bitch about the degenerate teens who are out causing trouble, vandalizing city playgrounds and little league fields, and smoking? ... :::

Because then Jim Davis would go on and one about how we (the ICN) are trying to suppress the black menace and start a local klan affiliation.

Did I get the verbage right Jim? Since I'm not a racist, I wasn't sure ...

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Doug Miller is who he is...a 17 year old young man, period, end of story, case closed. The fact that he is interested and engaged in the process of local government is to be commended, not condemned.

ANYONE throwing stones at this young man should be ashamed of themselves. I know I'm asking a lot of the DD crew...afterall, what are the chances of that bunch of actually even being able to feel shame in the first place?

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Glenn have to address what you said ... by Law Mr. Miller is a child ... he's not a legal adult so he is a child ... and are you kidding me ... he made a choice to volunteer to be a part of something that will hopefully teach him how our local government works ... when did you all feel it was ok to pick on him in the manner in which he is being picked on ... but it's not ... ok for Hubbard to be picked on (not that I think he should be) ... Mr. Hubbard President of Lower Greenridge Neighborhood Association made a choice also to become president and to become a public speaker ... so why is he different from young Doug? At least he is an adult .... Right? He (Mr. Hubbard) needs to get over the letters ... Right? Why have you not said that?

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1. By law he is a child. However, Mrs. Miller made it sound as though Doug was a 10-year-old.

2. He made a choice to volunteer to learn how government works. He should be careful when he stands up and levels criticism if he does not want any in return.

3. I have never said the manner in which he is being "picked on" was acceptable. In fact, my only post on the matter was against it.

4. Dan Hubbard needs to get over the letters.

5. Doug is 17 years old. He has opinions, and is not afraid to express them. Unfortunately, that puts him in the arena for legitimate criticism.

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Funny Glenn; the dd goons are so quick to point out that 17 year old Doug deserves what he gets because he decided to comment, but for some reason Ray Lyman wasn't allowed to be criticized because he is a vet with some sort of alleged head injury. You can't have it both ways.

If what Ray says is good enough to clap over when he's done, the opposing view has every right to debate it (and him) as well. I don't believe Doug should not be immune to debate, but to rail the kid because he's, well, a kid, is a but much. That behavior deserves no defense.

Shame on all of the nuts who helped teach this kid that the maturity level of supposed adults in Scranton is what he saw when he was in 7th grade.

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1. By law he is a child. However, Mrs. Miller made it sound as though Doug was a 10-year-old.

It doesn't matter how old or young she made it seem, he is a child period. Joey should never have allowed that post to stay up or to have contributed to it in anyway (which he did). Whether any likes it or not by contributing to his wesite with postspeople are in essence supporting his postions and they must recognize that they are just as responsible as he is for the content on that site.

2. He made a choice to volunteer to learn how government works. He should be careful when he stands up and levels criticism if he does not want any in return.

Criticism is one thing abuse is another, in my opinion he was attacked unfairly and in a disgusting manner. If the goons at DD knew how to appropriately apply criticism there would never be a need for anyone to stand against them. They either do not know how or refuse to act appropriately therefore we on this website will denounce them at every turn.

3. I have never said the manner in which he is being "picked on" was acceptable. In fact, my only post on the matter was against it.

I agree and I thank you for saying it. However in saying you don't agree you also always put in a "but" and then try to justify their behaviour. There is no justification, they are out of line period. They don't get to act like jerks because they feel they were "pushed into it". They are supposed to be adults they need to start acting like adults. At this point for everything they do out of line they whine "ya ok but THEY did it first". I don't accept that from my children and I certainly won't accept it from so called adults.

4. Dan Hubbard needs to get over the letters.

Agreed. I also will say that person who wrote the letter needs to also learn how to act appropriately also. It is quite possible to say what you disagree with in an fashion that does not involve personal attacks.

5. Doug is 17 years old. He has opinions, and is not afraid to express them. Unfortunately, that puts him in the arena for legitimate criticism.

I have no problem with legitimate criticism, however,I have not seen much of anything stated on that websitethat is even remotely offered in a ligitimate fashion.

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1. Ray Lyman's antics should also be subject to criticism.

2. I never mentioned a "but". If it was not constructive criticism, I did not agree with it.

3. In all seriousness, maybe it is time for Doug Miller to remove himself from the Junior Council if he is uncomfortable with the people at the meetings. The political scene in Scranton is approaching meltdown status.

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I see; the adults get to act in a manner that makes a 17 year old uncomfortable so he should leave junior council. Should the adults that are uncomfortable with the antics of the LOD leave too? Should I move out of the city because they bother me?

I guess that's how we're different - I think the adults should start acting like adults and forget about the 17 year old. More power to you though, the kid leaving junior council will fix so much for so many. Urrrggghhh.

And, for the record, the political scene in Scranton is not approaching meltdown status; about a dozen people who can't seem to follow the rules of order are derailing legitimate city business. Let's not over play what's really happening.

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I disagree completely.

The 17-year-old wants the protection of being a "child" with the freedom to criticize like an "adult". Of course, immediately your first posting impulse is to overreact.

It is beyond 12 people complaining at meetings, and the school board results in particular were indicative of the discontent. Chris Doherty could not win a third term if he were running unopposed. People who think he is doing a fantastic job have blinders on that are as narrow asthose worn by someof the Legion of Doom. And what are the "rules"? Agree with me or you're out of order?

Legitimate city business seems to be a thing of the past. The city is in a financial crisis, and those in charge just cannot keep spending while watching all costs rise by 25, 30, or even 50%.

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I agree Glen. How about our new digs over here? Nice place to visit and chat but if I can't get a little more Doherty chat, I'll get bored and maybe start a Pauldeceit.com. Only kidding Paul.

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The 17-year-old wants the protection of being a "child" with the freedom to criticize like an "adult". Of course, immediately your first posting impulse is to overreact.

It is beyond 12 people complaining at meetings, and the school board results in particular were indicative of the discontent. Chris Doherty could not win a third term if he were running unopposed. People who think he is doing a fantastic job have blinders on that are as narrow asthose worn by someof the Legion of Doom. And what are the "rules"? Agree with me or you're out of order?

Legitimate city business seems to be a thing of the past. The city is in a financial crisis, and those in charge just cannot keep spending while watching all costs rise by 25, 30, or even 50%.


What protection is he looking for? He never asked for anything - it's been the people who post here who came to his defense. His mom said she might reconsider letting him attend meetings. If I were her I'd do the same thing. I wouldn't put it past any one of those animals to assault or harrass that kid. Add the comments on the website to the mix and they have every reason to be concerned. Do you have kids? Let's plop one of your's into that situation and see how your parental instincts kick in.

Other than the council meetings where exactly is the outrage? It's your opinion that Doherty couldn't win reelection, but its just an opinion. DD.com doesn't count; at best it's a few hundred people. More than likely it's a few dozen. The numbers just don't support mass outrage. You have no poll, no survey, absolutely nothing more than opinion that the city is at it's boiling point. It's not even about wether or not I support the mayor, it's about proof - and you have none.

If the people who attend council meetings are truly worried about the city's financial crisis why are they focusing on the comments of a 17 year old kid? For God's sake, he can't even vote! He's there to observe the political process. So what - he made a statement that ruffled a few feathers - it's called being a kid. If I cross paths with twenty 17 year olds a day at least half of them will say or do something that will irk me. Guess what? I mumble to myself and move on. They're freakin' kids dude. Let it go.

Lastly, you're a lawyer. You know damn well what the rules are. You have five minutes and during that time you can't make wild accusations or you'll be ruled out of order. If Sam has such a good case why don't you represent him pro-bono? He was ruled out of order and wouldn't step down. What part of that don't you understand? How can we expect the screwheads and immature goons in the city to understand and follw the simplke rules of order when a lawyer who ran for political office pretends he doesn't understand them?

Same old dd.com crap - the Times is in cahoots with the ICN and the city is at the boiling point. I'll stand by my earlier number - I see and hear about 12 people mouthing off about how bad it is each week. Doherty won 3 elections, 1 to council and 2 for mayor, the recovery referendum passed overwhelmingly. So unless you have some proof other than Sam Patilla and Dan Hubbard losing it on TV I'm going to stick to my guns. 12 angry speakers and 100 angry web users does not a city make.

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Nice place to visit and chat but if I can't get a little more Doherty chat, I'll get bored and maybe start a Pauldeceit.com.

Please start that site. We'll be there - all 7 of us. Counting you and Jimbu we could hit double digits. I'll bet Paul is the first one to get banned.

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I'll bet you (figuratively, of course) that Chris Doherty never wins another election again...ever. Other than that, I'll let you cool downor rant and rave somewhere else. I disagree with you. That's all.

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I'm anxious to revisit the skeletons of my past, but I think you'll be hard pressed to get 7 people lining up to bash me. Maybe an ex girlfriend or a pissy neighbor, possibly a relative or two, but not much more than that, I'm afraid. I don't think Scranton as a whole could care any less about what I type on a message board. As long as you're not in it for profit, of which I'll be requiring a flat $3 per registered member and 13% of the take per month for my name usage, then have at it. Watch out for the internet cobwebs, though.

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RE: Here's another candidate for most innappropriate thread at dd.com
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I'm sorry Paul, but this is the intenet, therefore to get $3 for a reg. fee you will have to at least offer porn.

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