As you all know, I would prefer to paraphrase as opposed to cutting and pasting entire posts, replies and all the blah blah blah ... but I feel this one is a keeper, 1) for posterity and, 2) on the probable chance Joe deletes the whole shebang because of what's been hilighted in red.
RE: Is "open government" the public comment portion of the meeting?
erinnobraugh wrote:the problem is idiots like that Lyman guy ruin it for everyone else...he gets up and speaks gibberish ... while people with real issues don't get heard No, the problem is that many thousands of men like Ray Lyman were slaughtered on foreign soil so that you can freely condemn those who benefit from that slaughter. You're turning my stomach. If free speech doesn't work for you because you're too much of a sissy to use it, then keep your mouth shut while others are. That, or move into a third world country where you can still be dragged out into the street and shot for doing something so blatant as to speak. Rah, rah, rah...go Joe, go USA. No one like Ray ever died defending free speech. Guys like himn only benefit from it. I fought for this country buddy boy...did you? I'll tell you right now that me and my pals in GW1 weren't fighting for Ray Lyman or the alleged right to have TV cameras in council, we fought because our country made a deal to protect Kuwait and we were the muscle behind that deal.
We fought to uphold our end of the bargain and bring freedom back to an innocent victim of a country.
Don't dare compare ANYTHING that happens in this country to the brutality that exists elsewhere.
And yes, I have appeared in front of city council - I just don't see a need to where it like a badge of honor. I spoke my peace (more than once) and let it go at that.
Free speech is something we all deserve. Problem is many people here look at it as some sort of pay as you go -what's in it for me entitlement. That's BS. Our founding fathers never guaranteed free speech to the guys who were tough enough to prove they deserved it. They guaranteed we all got it. Just because you can spout off at council or host a web site doesn't mean you deserve it any more than anyone else. In fact, you deserve it less. I'll cheer for the quiet and humble man any day over the loudmouth- look at me blowhard any day.
How dare you.
I fought side by side with Saudi's in Khafji, and never once heard them complain about "free speech." We had it, have it, and will continue to have it - the rest of the world is envious of that. Why do you pretend it's an issue? No one is silencing you. This site's very existence is proof of that.
I'll assume I just got banned. What do you mean by guys like Ray? If by "guys like Ray" you're suggesting guys with courage, then surely guys like Ray die defending free speech all the time.
The struggle for free speech and citizenship rights occurs WITHIN countries rather than between them. In other words, the guys and gals who fought and died for freedom aren't necesserily U.S. soldiers. In fact, these guys and gals aren't typically U.S. solidiers: the military is typically called in to stop a labor revolt, or civil rights, etc.. In that sense, our own military is used to repress the struggle for rights rather than protect our citizenship rights.
Ok.Stop.Think.Don’t just think, think smart!!Think of the issue:deceit in Scranton, and nothing else.Don’t allow your emotions to cloud the very issue that is causing all of us to sit at our computers right now.Think and act using the logical part of your brain, not the emotional part.All for one and one for all, remember?Save the name calling for another time, when not so much is as stake.Fighting amongst yourselves causes two things: distraction and vulnerability.If you all finally get what you want, which is, from my understanding, to legally bring to light the “question” of whether or not corruption exists in the Scranton City Counsel, don’t you all think it would be wise not to give city counsel and their lawyers ammunition that they can easily use to construe the competence of and discredit the character of you who are accusing them?Once all ofthe evidence is made available, it will be studied, and if done so correctly, and if the judicial system is ethical, you will all get what you want! You know it is corrupt, and so you will put forth all of your evidence.The counsel, on the other-hand, in an attempt to defend themselves, will put forward all of their evidence, including the “idea” that people who attend the meetings and are a part of this web site are all incompetent nobodys.Unfortunately, this name-calling is confirming Judy’s claims that you are all somehow lower-class grade-school citizens, is that what you want?Before a legal judgment can be made, all evidence is looked at under a microscope, and this very web site is part of that evidence, past, present, and future.Stop handing over the ball to city counsel! ============================
I do have one question/comment though. The military supposedly does not allow men or women to join the armed forces who have such minimal infirmities such as flat feet and slipped disk issues, correct?. And they're going to induct the likes of Ray Lyman??Guys like him died for our free speech? Were they playing in traffic at the front line and a bus hit 'em?
Yes, I know it's insensitive, but come ON. He AIN'T officer material. He'd be too busy calling for an ammalance instead of the medic. I certainly do not intend this to sound as if Ray is less knowledgeable than any other LOaD from across the hall. Heck he has the same mentality as Franus, she just has access to better hats.
Joe loves to invoke the names of veterans and patriots in an attempt to justify what he's doing. Joe is neither.
A veteran would have more dignity, intelligence and discipline than the old man. A veteran would know the names of far off places like GUADALCANAL (one word, no Q). A veteran would most likely slap the taste out of his mouth for many of the things he's posted and invoking their names in doing so. Not one single American has ever died defending Joe's right to be a complete and total dickhead. Joe's "cause" has never been terribly important to anyone other than himself.
Girl I am glad that you are copying and pasting even though you hate it ... we need to preserve as much of their stuff as we can ... Now I'm sounding like them but I would like to have copies just in case they are ever needed ... because I would have no problem handing over their posts should it ever come to that!
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I want everyone to stop and think about one thing ... Joe Pilchesky is not a lawyer ... he's just a guy playing a lawyer on the internet. Please don't trust your legal needs to this man.
All it takes is one poster from across the hall to read this topic and the sanitization will have begun. I am sure many topics over there have already seen the internet version of a hot bleach bath.
Oh they won't be able to help themselves ... they will go back to the normal DD postings soon ... and even now some are slipping through ... did you see the one where "Nobody" Mr. Moran ... carries a gun at all times ... I found that interesting and disturbing at the same time.
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I want everyone to stop and think about one thing ... Joe Pilchesky is not a lawyer ... he's just a guy playing a lawyer on the internet. Please don't trust your legal needs to this man.
Originally posted by Moscow's favorite son, James Burch (since "edited for content").
"Date: Sun Jan 21 11:10 PM, 2007 Views: 21
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Hey PSBSW...YOU just made it easy, here's another address for you...204 Gardner St. Moscow, that is if your'e not afraid of the sawed off double barrel that will be awaiting your sorry punk ass, and you can actually find your way out of town...just ask your buddy G. Parker for directions, he's familiar with Moscow!!! Your empty Dobee threats are really getting tired...and starting to p*ss me off!!! You wanna dance partner girlfriend...I'm right here!!!
As for the rest of the doubters...do you not remember what the purpose of this forum is? It's to expose ALL the corrupt, money-whoring, elitist, A-holes in this county...JUDGES included!!! What, because they wear a black robe they are untouchable?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
F*ck 'em all...if they're corrupt, let them rot in hell...I'll be waiting there!!! Joe, I've got your back, I've got my battle gear, my "chem gear", and my radar is focused in like a mother f*cker!!!...I'm ready for battle!!! Hey, PSBSW, and all you other punk-ass Dobees out there the time for talkin' is done...I'm ready for blood, are you?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!...Let's dance sweetheart...Jimbu15...
Nope, nothing threatening there... Must be the emptiness of it all that removes the threat, huh, Jimmy?